re: I’m watching The Last Minutes of Flight 93 on the History Channel

Does it really matter? Could have been shot down and although it’s a shite situation that’s the right call and I can also see the argument for keeping that secret.

Our government has done far more destructive acts after 9/11 than the alleged shooting down of an airliner

And again frick Islam

I don’t think that flight 93 was shot down by any means but it is odd that the government has censored and hidden a lot of details about how the hijackers were able to access the cockpits on all four planes on 9/11. Perhaps that information is still being held top secret to prevent any future incidents but it’s clear the government knows much more about these four flights than has ever been released to the public. Regardless it’s a testament to the character of the passengers on flight 93 that they were able to thwart the ultimate plans for that aircraft.

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odd that the government had censored and hidden a lot of details about how the highjackers were able to access the cockpits on all four planes

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It was a simple matter of over powering the weak arse woman or soy boy attendant between the cockpit and your seat. It was a sliding door back then.

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These “they shot it down” theories are almost as dimwitted as the WTC collapse was an inside job.

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Not even close.

It is totally irrational to think "someone" (the gubment?) loaded those buildings with explosives to bring them down, rather than the huge arse fire from the airplane that slammed into it at 500mph. Okay.

On the other hand, its pretty easy to assume that a fighter may have shot down 93 in a defensive action. After all, they scrambled 2 fighters alongside AirForce 1 with orders to shoot down any plane that approaches. So it is proven they would fire on a public plane faced with a need to do so.

It is also pretty easy to assume the story went just as it was told, and the passengers mounted an attack on the hijackers (which was well documented), and overcame them enough to foil their plans and cause them to crash.

Either way, the passengers are heroes for what they did.

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I just don't remember any of that and I thought I followed it pretty closely. But, oh well. I concede. I know that protocol says we can do that for the greater good (as in saving a larger target than the passengers on board) but I just don't remember that.

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Same here - This is the first I have heard of the "2nd debris site" - I don't understand how it could have escaped public revelation on some news network during the immediate aftermath of the attack. I cannot believe I just 'missed it' - or else my mental capacity is deteriorating at a rapid rate now.

Surely it is not a "recent" discovery -

From what I've read any description as a "second debris site" seems a bit overstated. The explanation I've seen that's anywhere close to that is the discovery of some debris that would have been light enough to have "ricocheted" back up off the ground in such a powerful collision with the earth. This type debris was light enough to have caught the 10ish mph wind that was said to have been on that day. Papers and the like. The prevailing winds took that type debris only a couple or few miles downwind to Indian Lake. From that the story grew.

Also, there was a fan from one of the engines that deflected off the ground and skidded or flew or whatever approx 300 or so yards from the main crash site.

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don't buy the original story. I think everything went according to plan. The cell phone calls from that plane were not made from that plane. The plane was out of reach of cell towers (to high). At that time the highest a cell phone could connect with a tower was about 10K feet. the plane was many times higher than that and traveling at 500+ miles per hour which makes it even more difficult.

That plane was put down (with the recorded phone message to wife) to give Red blooded Americans something to feel proud about during the crisis and help foster the american feelings of we are bad arse and are going to strike at your patriotism to give the gov't the war they wanted.

Those people were murdered by our own gov't

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Interesting you say this because my first thought for OP was going to say how it should be more of a conspiracy that all phones working, cell and airline phones.

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The cell phone calls from that plane were not made from that plane. The plane was out of reach of cell towers (to high). At that time the highest a cell phone could connect with a tower was about 10K feet.

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I watched the movie "United 93" yesterday and these posts highlight some aspects of the movie in retrospect. The movie made an obvious spectacle of the fighter jets being unarmed with lines such as "but those jets aren't armed". It also had passengers saying things like "we shouldn't be moving this fast -- especially this low" to emphasize that in the movie they were at lower altitude. I think it's interesting that, in my opinion, they went out of their way to provide material that would debunk a possible alternative (actual?) history.

The official story is that the US launched fighter jets with the intent to shoot down the planes. One pilot is on record saying she took off without weapons but was authorized to use her jet to ram down 93.

Given these facts, it seems silly that the government would admit they were prepared to take down 93, then would lie about that action. The lie serves no purpose. Just conspiracy fodder.