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re: Coach Bryant threw out the solution to college sports years ago: End recruiting.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:56 pm to jimdog
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:56 pm to jimdog
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And if the interest in the game goes down then GOOD! I might get interested again.
so let me get this straight as some one who is a self professed no longer interested in the game fan you want to kill the game so that you might get interested in it again.
yes! you're exactly the person we need deciding the future of college football!
by the way, i have never seen anyone get something as a*s backwards as your take on bryant.
i think what you maybe referring to is bryant's 1952 announcement that he was banning the recruiting of out of state players to kentucky. he had led kentucky to it's 3 best seasons in the schools history all on the backs of out of state players. there was a lot of speculation that it wasn't his policy but the UofK president william hannah's policy. either way it would had no effect on bryant since freshman weren't eligible at the time and bryant bolted for A&M in 54.
bryant would continue to recruit out of state players for the rest of his career.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 2:00 pm
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Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:09 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
LOL! They are doing WHAT YOU SPEAK OF "NOW" my friend.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:09 pm to notsince98
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No. Just limit the amount of money the NCAA and schools can bring in off televised games. TV companies will all pay the same price to broadcast the games and it would be dirt cheap. The TV companies can make as much money as they want off it.
TV companies can bid for rights of certain conferences by the perks offered like extra coverage, dedicated channels, more coverage for smaller sports, etc.
If you eliminate anyone associated with colleges from profiting off it it, the issues go away.
Live sports are valuable to content providers because they command huge advertising dollars. A simplified, made up number version of a deal that is normally made is that Coke, McDonald's and Ford pay $1 a piece for each viewer and $2 for viewers who are in a target demo. ABC knows that NCAA football can bring in (again making up) 20M viewers in the target demo per game on 50 games over a season. NBC knows this to. So both ABC & NBC are both willing to pay $5.5B to the NCAA for the rights to broadcast the game because that'll leave them with a healthy $500M profit given the ad revenue.
In your paradigm, the NCAA will capped as to what it is able to ask for from the networks. But Coke, McDonald's, and Ford still only care about the viewer figures and 20M people still watch the game every week. So essentially you will be with you price cap, just gifting the network billions of dollars. Why would you do this? The tv companies are the least value additive participant in the whole value chain. Why do they get the windfall. Further, recently the conference realized that networks weren't adding any value whatsoever and started their own. Who, in your paradigm, would get the money from networks owned by the conferences?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:21 pm to longwayfromLA
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In your paradigm, the NCAA will capped as to what it is able to ask for from the networks.
You're doing better than me, I haven't figured out one thing he was trying to propose.
I mean who is putting a cap or limit?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:23 pm to jimdog
If it were not for working people buying tickets, shirts, caps and concessions along with business donations there might not be much for them to gripe about. That could change with the way the world and people's attitudes are changing. I just hope they don't let these kids do anything to disgrace the flag or get too caught up in social issues. Keep football as football for everyone to enjoy.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:23 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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I mean who is putting a cap or limit?
Presumably the government. We must have elected a Leninist in this scenario.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:59 pm to jimdog
I've been advocating this for years. It's obvious to all but the most brain-dead and/or dishonest the the current system with recruits and athletic "scholarships" is rife with fraud. It's basically a semi-pro system in a thinly veiled disguise.
All colleges should go to a Div III system and eliminate the athletic scholarships. Want to play football? Get admitted as a regular student in the fall, pay your tuition, go to class, and in the spring, go to football tryouts and try to make the team.
Real students. Real college teams. Make it happen.
All colleges should go to a Div III system and eliminate the athletic scholarships. Want to play football? Get admitted as a regular student in the fall, pay your tuition, go to class, and in the spring, go to football tryouts and try to make the team.
Real students. Real college teams. Make it happen.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:09 pm to jimdog
My opinion is to allow players to go pro out of hs, but if you go to college, you only get paid like athletes currently do: room, board, and medical care. That sure as shite ain’t nothing. Their compensation is worth over $100k/year at some of these institutions and they act like it’s nothing while the middle class is crushed by student loan debt. F$&k those entitled bastards.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:16 pm to jimdog
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Simple put, treat it like an old style high school set up: coach whoever shows up for practice out of the regular student body in the fall.
So, like the Ivy League?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:19 pm to jimdog
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And end the dedicated dorms, food, training facilities, 27 coaches, money for scouting etc past a simple video set up, and no more academic advisors/tutors. I would add no alumni contributions over $200. and one per year per contributor. All games are conference games plus 1 or 2 depending on the size of the league.
In other words actually make it amateur student athletics in stead of the multimillion dollar professional sports organization that we all pretend is amateur college athelitcs, Im all for it.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:32 pm to kingbob
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My opinion is to allow players to go pro out of hs, but if you go to college, you only get paid like athletes currently do: room, board, and medical care. That sure as shite ain’t nothing. Their compensation is worth over $100k/year at some of these institutions and they act like it’s nothing while the middle class is crushed by student loan debt. F$&k those entitled bastards.
1. Players can go pro after high school, its just the US entities generally have anti-trust exemptions which allow these types of agreements to preclude. (if your opinion is to remove the exemption, I am in agreement there)
2. Colleges can limit what the players get (well outside of certain state that have implement new statutory laws) i.e. tuition, room, board, etc.
What the colleges shouldn't be doing is stopping commerce via the NCAA... that is really where the problems begin i.e. anti-trust and racketeering on a massive scale.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:26 pm to idlewatcher
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Yea I'm sure Saban would jump at the opportunity to make 100K a year coaching when he alone is the reason the stands are full
Ah yes, the white master making millions off his black minions. You seriously think the players don’t matter?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 5:15 pm to jimdog
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And end the dedicated dorms, food, training facilities, 27 coaches, money for scouting etc past a simple video set up, and no more academic advisors/tutors. I would add no alumni contributions over $200. and one per year per contributor. All games are conference games plus 1 or 2 depending on the size of the league
You actually expect us to believe this bullshite?
This is a guy who CONTINUALLY signed way more players than he needed just to cut them or prevent other teams from signing em.
He used every single edge he could get when it came to winning and all of a sudden he's ready to surrender those advantages? In the name of fielding a team of frat stars?
RIGHT!
Posted on 8/3/20 at 5:19 pm to jimdog
Good god what a horrible idea 
I don’t want to watch the average Joe LSU student playing football
I don’t want to watch the average Joe LSU student playing football
Posted on 8/3/20 at 5:21 pm to jimdog
so...intramural foosball
Posted on 8/3/20 at 8:11 pm to walley tux
Actually I read his book. And what I posted is in it. You could probably find it somewhere on the 'net. But why am I taking the time explaining any of this to some zero with an 80 IQ is a better question.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 10:07 pm to notsince98
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It is no different than a salary cap
The NCAA has absolutely no jursdiction to impose any type of "salary cap" on any its member institutions.It would get thrown out of court in a minute.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 10:28 pm to DesScorp
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I've been advocating the death of college football for years
FIFY
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All colleges should go to a Div III system and eliminate the athletic scholarships. Want to play football? Get admitted as a regular student in the fall, pay your tuition, go to class, and in the spring, go to football tryouts and try to make the team.
Yep, won't be any corners cut or fraudulent activity in a system like this...Geez
Sorry,you wouldn't watch frat boy FB and neither would 90% of the current fans.
It's the greatest sport in America IMO and you wanna destroy it because your own personal moral indignation with the system?
It's helped 100's of thousands of young men better themselves and brought millions into the schools they represent and not just in athletic revenues.
You don't think the name recognition from Auburn athletics isn't worth untold millions in advertising and public relations?
Beyond Tim Cook,ALL of the most famous people who attended are ATHLETES. Can Newton,Charles Barkley and No Jackson are all walking billboards for a rural eastern Alabama school that nobody would give a 2nd thought about if it weren't for athletics.
If you wanna cut your nose off to spite yourself be my guest.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 11:32 pm to jimdog
All in on this. 3 years hard labor for any coach or booster that cheats.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:38 pm to GusAU
quote:their games and schedules aren’t as long, and most of them still don’t
Then how are high school teams able to do it?
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