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re: Coach Bryant threw out the solution to college sports years ago: End recruiting.

Posted on 8/3/20 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Yea I'm sure Saban would jump at the opportunity to make 100K a year coaching when he alone is the reason the stands are full


Yeah, colleges have been so successful at avoiding the discussion about how they can stop players from receiving compensation/income that people actually think they have the ability to just cap things.

I'm sure Saban will voluntarily take a pay cut along with the other coaches.

Nice post.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124179 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 12:50 pm to
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no more academic advisors/tutors
So for example, LSU football pulls in > $90 million in a year, netting north of $55 million. Our players are expected to wear themselves out on the practice field, daily. They are expected to travel extensively with the team during the academic year. Yet they shouldn't even receive a tutor?
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 12:52 pm to
Bryant and Bud Wilkinson INVENTED modern "cheat at any costs" college football
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5826 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 12:54 pm to
College football has NEVER operated this way. Read up on the early power houses prior to 1900. Not only were their rosters filled with recruits , but also paid players. Many of the “star” players changed their names as they changed schools.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51474 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:04 pm to
He also had a solution for violations.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18073 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:12 pm to
I have similar thoughts. Time to take the money out of college football. The less there is, the better the sport will be.

I personally think AD budgets should be limited by the NCAA or whatever ruling authority. It should be such that winning is determined completely on the practice field and the games.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20621 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:13 pm to
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that’s called Division III. And their games and teams suck




And just like DIII no one would watch that shite.

Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:15 pm to
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I have similar thoughts. Time to take the money out of college football. The less there is, the better the sport will be.

I personally think AD budgets should be limited by the NCAA or whatever ruling authority. It should be such that winning is determined completely on the practice field and the games.




Yeah but the problem is the players can receive money from third parties. Big time college sports is set for a massive fall, small time college sports will go on like normal.

Also, if budgets are limited that is most probably an anti-trust violation as that filters down.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:17 pm to
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And just like DIII no one would watch that shite.



I’d watch D-II if it was the only option. But it’s not the only option, so I don’t, currently.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:20 pm to
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that’s called Division III. And their games and teams suck

Three of the best games I have ever seen were D2 or D3 playoffs.

D2 Univ of North Alabama of the 80s and especially the 90s was one of the hottest teams I ever saw. They have now moved up to D1 non-power5.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
14280 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:20 pm to
So basically Saban ruined college football.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18073 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:20 pm to
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Also, if budgets are limited that is most probably an anti-trust violation as that filters down.


It is no different than a salary cap. NCAA membership is completely voluntary. There is not even a remote chance at anti-trust because there would be no money being pocketed by anyone.

Also, amateur status wouldn't be ignored. You get paid for play, you are not eligible.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:24 pm to
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It is no different than a salary cap. NCAA membership is completely voluntary. There is not even a remote chance at anti-trust because there would be no money being pocketed by anyone. Also, amateur status wouldn't be ignored. You get paid for play, you are not eligible.


Pro sports have anti-trust exemptions, which I believe should be removed although not the subject of the thread.

Whether the NCAA membership is voluntary or not is immaterial, as forming an agreement to stop or impede trade i.e. compensation is improper or illegal in nature.

The NCAA really has no ability to stop compensation legally to players or coaches or staff, although they have been pretty successful of staying out of jail by trying to stop the players... that is over now or soon will be.

What the schools (by and thru the NCAA) did was setup a racket, the gig is up now or soon will be... what you propose is actually a continuing and even an expanding the racket that is beginning stages of crumbling. Let me give you a hint, everyone knows what the colleges have been doing is illegal, but the gig is up now.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:31 pm to
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And everybody wins.


I've never seen people not be interested in billions of dollars, so there's that.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:33 pm to
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I have similar thoughts. Time to take the money out of college football. The less there is, the better the sport will be.

I personally think AD budgets should be limited by the NCAA or whatever ruling authority. It should be such that winning is determined completely on the practice field and the games.


Do you plan on banning televised games? Because if the games are on tv, billions of dollars will be in the sport one way or the other. Who do you think should get those billions?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18073 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:38 pm to
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Whether the NCAA membership is voluntary or not is immaterial, as forming an agreement to stop or impede trade i.e. compensation is improper or illegal in nature.



Incorrect. That is no different for the current NCAA. People keep grasping on to anti-trust bullshite with no understanding what the NCAA is and isn't.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18073 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:41 pm to
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Do you plan on banning televised games? Because if the games are on tv, billions of dollars will be in the sport one way or the other. Who do you think should get those billions?


No. Just limit the amount of money the NCAA and schools can bring in off televised games. TV companies will all pay the same price to broadcast the games and it would be dirt cheap. The TV companies can make as much money as they want off it.

TV companies can bid for rights of certain conferences by the perks offered like extra coverage, dedicated channels, more coverage for smaller sports, etc.

If you eliminate anyone associated with colleges from profiting off it it, the issues go away.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:41 pm to
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Incorrect. That is no different for the current NCAA. People keep grasping on to anti-trust bull shite with no understanding what the NCAA is and isn't.


Not sure what that even means, its an association setup by the schools they are not exemption from federal or state law.

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Just limit the amount of money the NCAA and schools can bring in off televised games.


Who is limiting the amount of money?

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If you eliminate anyone associated with colleges from profiting off it it, the issues go away.


Who is "you"?



This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
3663 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:52 pm to
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I don't feel like that would be possible using just the guys from the student body that show up for practice in the fall. I would think that, in order to get through a long schedule like that, you would need players who are dedicated to being an athlete. Guys who have gone through workouts and training to be prepared for a season like that.

Then how are high school teams able to do it?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34346 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:53 pm to
Didn’t he cheat a LOT? I mean, if everyone but him played by what he proposed, I assume that he would never lost.

He was the best coach of his generation.
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