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Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War?

Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:45 pm
Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause? Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained. Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:46 pm to
Yes.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:46 pm to
Is this a bump from 2009?
Posted by coonasswhodat
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:46 pm to
A lot of hate in the world.
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:47 pm to
You're beating a dead horse.

There's nothing wrong with building statues to honor the brave and noble men who declared war against our country and killed our soldiers.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:48 pm to
It was for the rich farmer. The poor men fought the rich man's war, as is typical.

It was a war about money, first and foremost.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119065 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to
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Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal?


Yes. But the north should have forced the issue with carrot rather than the stick. The stick left too many scars.

Remember, slavery was common around the world at the time. The majority of the world's civilized nations eventually did away with slavery amicably. We could have and should have done it peacefully too.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to
yes.

yes

well because it some peoples ancestor and we all want to be proud of our heritage. It's a shame we're so hellbent on showing the bad parts.

No this board will never understand this because
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to
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Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War


Motherfricker, you been here for TEN damn years. This has been debated about a hundred times. PER YEAR!!!

GO CHOKE ON A STARTS AND BARS..
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89641 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:50 pm to
I describe it like this - slavery was NOT the engine of the Civil War.

But it was the fuel in the tank during that time.

The "engine" was a complex component made up of a lot of regional differences going back to the founding.

Most Confederate soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of their states first and the nation second (obviously, something had to give with secession). Likewise, most Union soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of the nation first and the Yankees really didn't have (or quickly lost by the early 19th Century) that state identification that Southern residents retained (still do, by and large).

Most Confederate soldiers did not individually fight to preserve that peculiar institution (and, no question, it was an explicit goal of the various secession instruments, but I'm talking about the individual level here). Most Union soldiers did not fight to free slaves and by 21st Century standards, probably 80% of Union troops would be considered white supremacists.

So, the war was paradoxically (and simultaneously) not really about slavery at all, and mainly about slavery.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:51 pm to
I guess this is about the 200th time this thread has been started.

It should be voted on by the people who live in the cities where the statues are located. If they vote to take them down then so be it and if they vote to leave them up they stat.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:52 pm to
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Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?




I think most reasonable people can get on board with a City Council or local government deciding certain statues should come down after some public debate.

Where we draw the line is willy nilly destructionism by the mob tearing down statues of the Founders and influencers.

If the Founders must go then so must the founding documents. We all know where this anarchy is going.

Can you not also see how that is problematic?
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:53 pm to
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Remember slavery was common around the world at that time
Almost every western country has abolished slavery by 1865. In France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain, it had been abolished for many years.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:55 pm to
I’ve never understood post like this. The thread title is by no means misleading. No one made you click or post in the thread.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:55 pm to
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Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained.


The World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. didn't go up until almost 60 years after the fact.
Posted by BIGFOOD
Member since Jun 2011
12547 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:56 pm to
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It was for the rich farmer. The poor men fought the rich man's war, as is typical.



"the poor folks, they go to work or they go to war"

- Cody Jinks, "David"
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119065 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

Almost every western country has abolished slavery by 1865. In France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain, it had been abolished for many years.



Right. And were great models on how to do it peacefully. But noooooo. We had to go to war.

Pride and arrogance will do that to you.
Posted by coonasswhodat
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
4112 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:02 pm to
You need to read “The Cornerstone Speech” to gauge what kind of impact the slavery issue had on the civil war.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause?


Because that isn’t the cause for which most of them fought, all the way up to and including Robert E. Lee, the highest ranking general. To say otherwise is not only provably false, it displays an elemental ignorance of the subject.

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Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained. Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?


Most were actually built in the early 1900’s, when veterans of the Civil War were dying off, and the statues were erected to memorialize those who fought and died. Congress had long since made the veterans on the Confederate side one and the same with any other veterans. They were considered American soldiers, and their memorials were considered so as well, by law.

Having a problem with it is simply another in a long line of excuses for the complete and utter failure of democrat policies for the black people.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124265 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:06 pm to
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Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause?
Take it where this Marxist bullshite is intended.

How can one stand supporting a Constitution in which the North wanted to designate Blacks as < 3/5ths of a person? The Constitution HAS TO GO!

Yeah Communism!

The "Confederate" narrative crap blew up when Jefferson, Jackson, and Washington were targeted for slavery. The Slavery crap ended when Grant, Lincoln, and Fredrick Douglas were targeted for who knows what. But ultimate Atheistic Communism was unveiled when the Constitution, Jesus Christ and the Saints were targeted.

GTFO with the Confederacy bullshite!
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 5:18 pm
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