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Greyhound says BP may no longer search for illegal immigrants on buses without warrant
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:18 am
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:18 am
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Bus giant Greyhound announced Friday that the company will no longer allow Border Patrol agents in search of illegal immigrants to board its buses without a warrant, in a move being hailed by civil rights advocates.
The Associated Press reported Greyhound wrote in an emailed statement that "it would notify the Department of Homeland Security that it does not consent to unwarranted searches on its buses or in areas of terminals that are not open to the public."
The emailed stated, "Our primary concern is the safety of our customers and team members, and we are confident these changes will lead to an improved experience for all parties involved."
Greyhound's new policy comes one week after the AP noted in a separate exclusive report that an internal memo from U.S. Customs and Border Protection dated Jan. 28 notified agents that boarding buses and questioning passengers without the consent of the company is a violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.
The report further noted that "Greyhound has faced pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union, immigrant rights activists and Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson to stop allowing sweeps on buses within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of an international border or coastline."
In June 2018, Greyhound stating on a company blog post, "While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so, we do not support or coordinate these searches, nor are we happy about them." It concluded, "Our drivers face arrest and fines for obstructing these agents, and we would not want to put their safety, or the safety of our passengers at risk by attempting to physically stop a federal agent from boarding."
Both the ACLU and Ferguson took victory laps upon hearing of Greyhound's policy change.
Andrea Flores, deputy director of policy for the ACLU's Equality Division told the AP via email, "We are pleased to see Greyhound clearly communicate that it does not consent to racial profiling and harassment on its buses. By protecting its customers and employees, Greyhound is sending a message that it prioritizes the communities it serves."
Ferguson's office released his statement on Twitter, which read, "Today's announcement from Greyhound confirms what should have been obvious to the company since I contacted them a year ago — it has both the power and the responsibility to stand up for its customers, who suffered for far too long from Greyhound's indifference to CBP's suspicionless bus raids and harassment."
"It's unfortunate it took a leaked memo and the threat of a lawsuit by my office before Greyhound acted," Ferguson continued. "That said, we're not just going to take Greyhound's word. We'll be following up with Greyhound to ensure compliance."
As of this writing, CBP had not yet issued a public statement in reaction to Greyhound's announcement. The AP noted that in the past "Border Patrol has insisted that it does not profile passengers based on their appearance, but instead asks all passengers whether they are citizens or in the country legally. The agency says the bus checks are an important way to ferret out human trafficking, narcotics and illegal immigration."
Bus giant Greyhound announced Friday that the company will no longer allow Border Patrol agents in search of illegal immigrants to board its buses without a warrant, in a move being hailed by civil rights advocates.
The Associated Press reported Greyhound wrote in an emailed statement that "it would notify the Department of Homeland Security that it does not consent to unwarranted searches on its buses or in areas of terminals that are not open to the public."
The emailed stated, "Our primary concern is the safety of our customers and team members, and we are confident these changes will lead to an improved experience for all parties involved."
Greyhound's new policy comes one week after the AP noted in a separate exclusive report that an internal memo from U.S. Customs and Border Protection dated Jan. 28 notified agents that boarding buses and questioning passengers without the consent of the company is a violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.
The report further noted that "Greyhound has faced pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union, immigrant rights activists and Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson to stop allowing sweeps on buses within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of an international border or coastline."
In June 2018, Greyhound stating on a company blog post, "While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so, we do not support or coordinate these searches, nor are we happy about them." It concluded, "Our drivers face arrest and fines for obstructing these agents, and we would not want to put their safety, or the safety of our passengers at risk by attempting to physically stop a federal agent from boarding."
Both the ACLU and Ferguson took victory laps upon hearing of Greyhound's policy change.
Andrea Flores, deputy director of policy for the ACLU's Equality Division told the AP via email, "We are pleased to see Greyhound clearly communicate that it does not consent to racial profiling and harassment on its buses. By protecting its customers and employees, Greyhound is sending a message that it prioritizes the communities it serves."
Ferguson's office released his statement on Twitter, which read, "Today's announcement from Greyhound confirms what should have been obvious to the company since I contacted them a year ago — it has both the power and the responsibility to stand up for its customers, who suffered for far too long from Greyhound's indifference to CBP's suspicionless bus raids and harassment."
"It's unfortunate it took a leaked memo and the threat of a lawsuit by my office before Greyhound acted," Ferguson continued. "That said, we're not just going to take Greyhound's word. We'll be following up with Greyhound to ensure compliance."
As of this writing, CBP had not yet issued a public statement in reaction to Greyhound's announcement. The AP noted that in the past "Border Patrol has insisted that it does not profile passengers based on their appearance, but instead asks all passengers whether they are citizens or in the country legally. The agency says the bus checks are an important way to ferret out human trafficking, narcotics and illegal immigration."
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:21 am to Crimson Wraith
Smart move, being that they are in business to make money.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:23 am to Crimson Wraith
They can't stop them.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:25 am to Crimson Wraith
Lol, let's see how that works at checkpoints near the border.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:27 am to Crimson Wraith
If these are just buses running domestic routes near the border, then I support it.
Can’t just randomly stop buses and ask for papers.
Can’t just randomly stop buses and ask for papers.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:28 am to Crimson Wraith
I bet the drivers appreciate this. Comply with company rules and go to jail for obstruction.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 7:38 am
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:32 am to Crimson Wraith
Fine. Hold random checks outside the doors of the stations. Can’t stop that.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:32 am to Crimson Wraith
BP can always make it too painful to operate anywhere near any US Border for Greyhound.
As far as the terminals go...since Greyhound has now publicly supported terrorists, drug smugglers, and illegal alien invasion, let's put those Forfeiture Laws into action and seize the stations!
If they want jackbooted thugs, let's give them some jackbooted thugs.
As far as the terminals go...since Greyhound has now publicly supported terrorists, drug smugglers, and illegal alien invasion, let's put those Forfeiture Laws into action and seize the stations!
If they want jackbooted thugs, let's give them some jackbooted thugs.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:37 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:
a move being hailed by civil rights advocates
Are those Mexican civil rights advocates? Because illegals don't have U.S. civil rights protections.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:37 am to Crimson Wraith
Might be time for some strict DOT inspections.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:42 am to Crimson Wraith
Trump should do to Greyhound what he did to NY City, when they refused to allow interface of Driver's License information with Fed Agencies like ICE. Such should be declared a National Security risk, and in Greyhound's case...any innate rights or regulations re inter-Border transport should be suspended.
Booking on Greyhound will skyrocket, as drug mules load up and head north on a bus they know won't be searched.
Virtue signaling by GH. Won't last as long as a snoball in hell.
Booking on Greyhound will skyrocket, as drug mules load up and head north on a bus they know won't be searched.
Virtue signaling by GH. Won't last as long as a snoball in hell.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:55 am to Crimson Wraith
Seems like getting a warrant would be the proper way to do this. We shouldn’t trade away our civil liberties just to catch a few brown people.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:55 am to Crimson Wraith
Greyhound is about to get a nationwide DOT inspection notification.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:05 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:If this is so, the companies new policy doesn't change anything.
"While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:08 am to Crimson Wraith
They should not be permitted to cross with out a concision of a search
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:21 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:As it should be.
Bus giant Greyhound announced Friday that the company will no longer allow Border Patrol agents in search of illegal immigrants to board its buses without a warrant
I'm stunned this is even an issue.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:24 am to Crimson Wraith
Good for them. Now that there’s a wall, there’s no need for BP to worry about what’s on buses. The wall secured the border because walls work, and that’s that.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:26 am to Crimson Wraith
I suspect that few of the posters on this thread do much driving near the border.
I doubt that the BP is conducting many “random” stops to check GH buses. That was ruled unconstitutional in 1976.
This relates to stops at the permanent interior checkpoints (PIC) located along most of the major highways near the southern border (approved by SCOTUS in 1976). As I recall, there are almost 100 of them.
Every vehicle pulls off the highway, and a BP officer asks a few simple questions through your car window, then you get back on the highway. Usually, it is just “Are you a US citizen?”
I have never been on a bus down there but I suspect that an agent simply walks down the Isle, and asks those questions GH is simply saying, “you cannot board our bus at those checkpoints.
I doubt that the BP is conducting many “random” stops to check GH buses. That was ruled unconstitutional in 1976.
This relates to stops at the permanent interior checkpoints (PIC) located along most of the major highways near the southern border (approved by SCOTUS in 1976). As I recall, there are almost 100 of them.
Every vehicle pulls off the highway, and a BP officer asks a few simple questions through your car window, then you get back on the highway. Usually, it is just “Are you a US citizen?”
I have never been on a bus down there but I suspect that an agent simply walks down the Isle, and asks those questions GH is simply saying, “you cannot board our bus at those checkpoints.
quote:Historically, GH has probably “consented” to allow agents to enter the bus, doubtless because they thought it was required by US v. Martinez-Fuerte (which approved the PIC system in 1976). They seem to have changed that policy, due to a GOVERNMENT memo, saying that Martinez-Fuerte does not go as far as allowing an agent to board a bus.
Permanent Interior Checkpoints.
Border Patrol agents at checkpoints have legal authority that agents do not have when patrolling areas away from the border. The United States Supreme Court ruled that Border Patrol agents may stop a vehicle at fixed checkpoints for brief questioning of its occupants even if there is no reason to believe that the particular vehicle contains illegal people. The Court further held that Border Patrol agents "have wide discretion" to refer motorists selectively to a secondary inspection area for additional brief questioning. In contrast, the Supreme Court held that Border Patrol agents on roving patrol may stop a vehicle only if they have reasonable suspicion that the vehicle contains people who may be illegally in the United States—a higher threshold for stopping and questioning motorists than at checkpoints. The constitutional threshold for searching a vehicle is the same, however, and must be supported by either consent or probable cause, whether in the context of a roving patrol or a checkpoint search.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:38 am to Crimson Wraith
#Woke AF
So, when the BP has to detain a shite ton of buses while waiting for warrants, Greyhound will bitch and blame them for the schedule SNAFUs, I suppose?
So, when the BP has to detain a shite ton of buses while waiting for warrants, Greyhound will bitch and blame them for the schedule SNAFUs, I suppose?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:55 am to Crimson Wraith
Every single Greyhound bus that comes through a border patrol checkpoint should be searched for a minimum of 4 hours.
They wanna get cute, get cute back.
They wanna get cute, get cute back.
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