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Greyhound says BP may no longer search for illegal immigrants on buses without warrant

Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:18 am
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24915 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:18 am
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Bus giant Greyhound announced Friday that the company will no longer allow Border Patrol agents in search of illegal immigrants to board its buses without a warrant, in a move being hailed by civil rights advocates.

The Associated Press reported Greyhound wrote in an emailed statement that "it would notify the Department of Homeland Security that it does not consent to unwarranted searches on its buses or in areas of terminals that are not open to the public."

The emailed stated, "Our primary concern is the safety of our customers and team members, and we are confident these changes will lead to an improved experience for all parties involved."

Greyhound's new policy comes one week after the AP noted in a separate exclusive report that an internal memo from U.S. Customs and Border Protection dated Jan. 28 notified agents that boarding buses and questioning passengers without the consent of the company is a violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.

The report further noted that "Greyhound has faced pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union, immigrant rights activists and Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson to stop allowing sweeps on buses within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of an international border or coastline."

In June 2018, Greyhound stating on a company blog post, "While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so, we do not support or coordinate these searches, nor are we happy about them." It concluded, "Our drivers face arrest and fines for obstructing these agents, and we would not want to put their safety, or the safety of our passengers at risk by attempting to physically stop a federal agent from boarding."

Both the ACLU and Ferguson took victory laps upon hearing of Greyhound's policy change.

Andrea Flores, deputy director of policy for the ACLU's Equality Division told the AP via email, "We are pleased to see Greyhound clearly communicate that it does not consent to racial profiling and harassment on its buses. By protecting its customers and employees, Greyhound is sending a message that it prioritizes the communities it serves."

Ferguson's office released his statement on Twitter, which read, "Today's announcement from Greyhound confirms what should have been obvious to the company since I contacted them a year ago — it has both the power and the responsibility to stand up for its customers, who suffered for far too long from Greyhound's indifference to CBP's suspicionless bus raids and harassment."

"It's unfortunate it took a leaked memo and the threat of a lawsuit by my office before Greyhound acted," Ferguson continued. "That said, we're not just going to take Greyhound's word. We'll be following up with Greyhound to ensure compliance."

As of this writing, CBP had not yet issued a public statement in reaction to Greyhound's announcement. The AP noted that in the past "Border Patrol has insisted that it does not profile passengers based on their appearance, but instead asks all passengers whether they are citizens or in the country legally. The agency says the bus checks are an important way to ferret out human trafficking, narcotics and illegal immigration."
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10517 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:21 am to
Smart move, being that they are in business to make money.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45197 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:23 am to
They can't stop them.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20889 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:25 am to
Lol, let's see how that works at checkpoints near the border.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20025 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:27 am to
If these are just buses running domestic routes near the border, then I support it.

Can’t just randomly stop buses and ask for papers.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:28 am to
I bet the drivers appreciate this. Comply with company rules and go to jail for obstruction.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 7:38 am
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79881 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:32 am to
Fine. Hold random checks outside the doors of the stations. Can’t stop that.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17267 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:32 am to
BP can always make it too painful to operate anywhere near any US Border for Greyhound.

As far as the terminals go...since Greyhound has now publicly supported terrorists, drug smugglers, and illegal alien invasion, let's put those Forfeiture Laws into action and seize the stations!

If they want jackbooted thugs, let's give them some jackbooted thugs.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19566 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:37 am to

quote:

a move being hailed by civil rights advocates


Are those Mexican civil rights advocates? Because illegals don't have U.S. civil rights protections.
Posted by autauga
Member since Sep 2015
3655 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:37 am to
Might be time for some strict DOT inspections.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35003 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:42 am to
Trump should do to Greyhound what he did to NY City, when they refused to allow interface of Driver's License information with Fed Agencies like ICE. Such should be declared a National Security risk, and in Greyhound's case...any innate rights or regulations re inter-Border transport should be suspended.

Booking on Greyhound will skyrocket, as drug mules load up and head north on a bus they know won't be searched.

Virtue signaling by GH. Won't last as long as a snoball in hell.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9423 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:55 am to
Seems like getting a warrant would be the proper way to do this. We shouldn’t trade away our civil liberties just to catch a few brown people.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99131 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:55 am to
Greyhound is about to get a nationwide DOT inspection notification.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:05 am to
quote:

 "While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so
If this is so, the companies new policy doesn't change anything.
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
22177 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:08 am to
They should not be permitted to cross with out a concision of a search
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124183 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:21 am to
quote:

Bus giant Greyhound announced Friday that the company will no longer allow Border Patrol agents in search of illegal immigrants to board its buses without a warrant
As it should be.

I'm stunned this is even an issue.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:24 am to
Good for them. Now that there’s a wall, there’s no need for BP to worry about what’s on buses. The wall secured the border because walls work, and that’s that.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:26 am to
I suspect that few of the posters on this thread do much driving near the border.

I doubt that the BP is conducting many “random” stops to check GH buses. That was ruled unconstitutional in 1976.

This relates to stops at the permanent interior checkpoints (PIC) located along most of the major highways near the southern border (approved by SCOTUS in 1976). As I recall, there are almost 100 of them.

Every vehicle pulls off the highway, and a BP officer asks a few simple questions through your car window, then you get back on the highway. Usually, it is just “Are you a US citizen?”

I have never been on a bus down there but I suspect that an agent simply walks down the Isle, and asks those questions GH is simply saying, “you cannot board our bus at those checkpoints.
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Permanent Interior Checkpoints.

Border Patrol agents at checkpoints have legal authority that agents do not have when patrolling areas away from the border. The United States Supreme Court ruled that Border Patrol agents may stop a vehicle at fixed checkpoints for brief questioning of its occupants even if there is no reason to believe that the particular vehicle contains illegal people. The Court further held that Border Patrol agents "have wide discretion" to refer motorists selectively to a secondary inspection area for additional brief questioning. In contrast, the Supreme Court held that Border Patrol agents on roving patrol may stop a vehicle only if they have reasonable suspicion that the vehicle contains people who may be illegally in the United States—a higher threshold for stopping and questioning motorists than at checkpoints. The constitutional threshold for searching a vehicle is the same, however, and must be supported by either consent or probable cause, whether in the context of a roving patrol or a checkpoint search.
Historically, GH has probably “consented” to allow agents to enter the bus, doubtless because they thought it was required by US v. Martinez-Fuerte (which approved the PIC system in 1976). They seem to have changed that policy, due to a GOVERNMENT memo, saying that Martinez-Fuerte does not go as far as allowing an agent to board a bus.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 9:13 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89613 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:38 am to
#Woke AF

So, when the BP has to detain a shite ton of buses while waiting for warrants, Greyhound will bitch and blame them for the schedule SNAFUs, I suppose?
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:55 am to
Every single Greyhound bus that comes through a border patrol checkpoint should be searched for a minimum of 4 hours.

They wanna get cute, get cute back.
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