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re: The answer is to stop paying taxes
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:07 am to BamaScoop
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:07 am to BamaScoop
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When you pay taxes, do you do so voluntarily? Or do you do so because you are forced to do so?
If you don’t pay your taxes, what will happen? Will you be fined further? Harassed by the IRS or other government entities? Jailed?
The Libertarian Party is fundamentally opposed to the use of force to coerce people into doing anything. We think it is inherently wrong and should have no role in a civilized society.
Thus we think that government forcing people to pay taxes is inherently wrong.
Libertarians advocate for voluntary exchange, where people are free to make their own choices about what to do with their lives, their time, their bodies, their livelihood, and their dollars.
If Americans want to give money to the government for one reason or another, they should be free to do so. If Americans prefer to spend their money on other things, then they should be free to do that also.
Welcome to the Libertarian Party!
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:24 am to BamaScoop
quote:I have no idea why we all still pay taxes.
The answer is to stop paying taxes
We pay our taxes for the government to represent us, yet that's the one thing they fail to do. The partisan infighting completes the full redundancy of worthless representation and wanton waste.
Why keep paying for politicians who do nothing but argue and pad their bank accounts?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:50 am to cave canem
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It is almost like the government and military are not people in your world, I have zero concern about the US military ever turning against the general public in my lifetime.
The people in the military aren't going to be ordered to quash a civil war. It will be framed as stopping unrest due to a financial crash
They'll just ignore WHY there was a crash
Don't underestimate people's stupidity
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:55 am to cave canem
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Our income tax system is currently set up where the middle class is paying the lower class not to rebel and take out the upper class.
This is the entire reason super rich fricks are Dems who love taxes.
So true! The rich love welfare and gun control because it keeps the people from raiding their gated communities.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:04 am to theunknownknight
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Creating a run on banks, a crash, then the government would step in with the military
And right here is where you go wrong. A lot of politicians would disappear overnight, dead or fled. And no, they aren't mobilizing military on US soil. Those GI's would turn their rifles on their unit commanders, with the quickness (assuming any officer would even give such an order).
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:14 am to BamaScoop
Jane Fonda, welcome to TD.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:38 am to LSU Fan SLU Grad
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LSU Fan SLU Grad
And you people are nothing but liberal assclowns. Nothing worse than that.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:44 am to BamaScoop
Income tax is legal. Unfortunately it is enshrined in the Constitution. What is illegal is progressive income taxation. It violates equal protection -- you are treating individual citizens differently. Progressive income tax amounts to a taking (theft) from one citizen to the benefit of another.
After the 16th Amendment was passed, these issues relative to progressive taxation were several times brought to the U.S. Supreme Court. Each time, the Court punted finding that progressive taxation was a political decision and the court would not involve itself in that decision. It completely avoided analysis of whether charging one citizen 10% of his income and another 33% of his income comports with the constitution.
If progressive taxation were ended, then citizens, equally disadvantaged by taxes, would all have a stake in the issue and would be equally interested in making sure their representatives were held to account.
Supreme Court precedent is against fighting progressive taxation, but the Court's prior decisions, avoiding any constitutional analysis, were erroneous and should remain subject to challenge.
After the 16th Amendment was passed, these issues relative to progressive taxation were several times brought to the U.S. Supreme Court. Each time, the Court punted finding that progressive taxation was a political decision and the court would not involve itself in that decision. It completely avoided analysis of whether charging one citizen 10% of his income and another 33% of his income comports with the constitution.
If progressive taxation were ended, then citizens, equally disadvantaged by taxes, would all have a stake in the issue and would be equally interested in making sure their representatives were held to account.
Supreme Court precedent is against fighting progressive taxation, but the Court's prior decisions, avoiding any constitutional analysis, were erroneous and should remain subject to challenge.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:44 am to Aubie Spr96
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Not sure how we ever got the 16th amendment? Has anyone challenged it in court before? The founding fathers started killing people over tariffs. Can you imagine what those frickers would have done over income taxes?!?!
How did we get the 16th amendment? I think the insight you're looking for can be found in the manner we got the Federal Reserve shoved on America through very suspicious circumstances....history has some answers if you want to dig for it.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:47 am to dena
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All it would really take is folks changing their withholdings on form W4 to have nothing withheld.
You would have to pay up Apr 15, sure, but the beast would be starved well before then.
Try that out and enjoy your Sec 6654 prize.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:07 am to FredBear
Ehhhh, I think even if stupid spending of shrimp on a treadmill were eliminated, etc. Many on this board would continue to botch. Hell, IB Chinaman would try to eliminate income taxes AND tariffs. Revenues to the treasury would be voluntary
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:30 am to 31TIGERS
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Taxation is theft.
How often do you fix the roads?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:32 am to Aubie Spr96
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an you imagine what those frickers would have done over income taxes?!?!
How do you propose we pay for our military, which the founders were against. No standing army.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:51 am to FightnBobLafollette
We understand. No income tax, no socialist utopia.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 12:09 pm to FightnBobLafollette
You're nothing but a coward, and a paid liar.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:16 pm to Robin Masters
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Our income tax system is currently set up where the middle class is paying the lower class not to rebel and take out the upper class.
This is the entire reason super rich fricks are Dems who love taxes.
So true! The rich love welfare and gun control because it keeps the people from raiding their gated communities.
The most diabolical part of the whole scheme is the fact that the middle class and lower class have been pitted against each other and accepted it while the wealthy are laughing at both of them.
The poor have been convinced that someone with a slightly larger house or slightly better car is the issue while the Bezos and Buffets of the world pay nothing and the middle class has been gas lighted into believing the poor are after them, get a hint folks the system is stacked against both of you and always has been.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:33 am to cave canem
The progressive income tax was wildly popular in the decades just before it was passed. It's probably the only large tax that the public, in large numbers, demanded to be passed. One reason it was so popular is that generally it was only the top 30% of income earners who actually paid anything. It was the progressive nature of it that made it popular. The people who benefit ($$$) most from our stable society would pay this tax.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:42 am to GeorgeWest
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The progressive income tax was wildly popular in the decades just before it was passed. It's probably the only large tax that the public, in large numbers, demanded to be passed. One reason it was so popular is that generally it was only the top 30% of income earners who actually paid anything. It was the progressive nature of it that made it popular. The people who benefit ($$$) most from our stable society would pay this tax.
I am not a fan of the progressive income tax for too many reasons to even get into here, those who are able will always avoid paying.
The best answer is a national VAT and abolish income and corporate taxes, levels the playing field for US business and brings all the money to the table no matter how it was earned, even drug dealers buy stuff.
The millions of leeches who benefit off the current system will never let that happen though, and I mean accountants, tax prep services, banks and IRS employees, it is an industry unto itself.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:41 am to LSU Fan SLU Grad
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You people are the biggest morons with your moronic ideas
#ImwHer
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