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re: The Advocate this morning - “Our Views: We urge Baton Rouge voters to reject St. George”
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:52 pm to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:52 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Any Republican that’s against SG is a RINO piece of shite.
Or has a personal financial stake in seeing it fail.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:55 pm to Godfather1
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Or has a personal financial stake in seeing it fail.
That's what I'm thinking. I know that M.E. Cormier lady is my neighbor (I don't know her). We live just inside of the city limits but the end of our street is St George.
I wonder what her motivation is to be so opposed to St George? I hope they succeed. I grew up in Central and see all of the growth and development that's happened out there since they incorporated.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:02 pm to Godfather1
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At the time it was created, it was probably a viable model for the size of the area affected.
Right.
When the City-Parish consolidation took place, something like 90% of all EBR residents lived in city limits. Now, they are the minority.
I was pretty neutral on the issue up until about a year ago. But the ridiculous lying and entitlement by the anti-SG crowd has flipped me. I have people close to me both on the leadership for St. G and in Together BR, so I hear both sides all the time.
St. George simply has the moral high ground on the issue both due to the blatantly theft taking place by BR City against the residents of the unincorporated area and on the moral right of self-determination.
There really isn’t a moral stance taken by the anti-SG people at this time.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:03 pm to toosleaux
I'm voting for St. George simply for the reason it will keep people in the parish as opposed to them moving to Livingston or Ascension where the tax coffers of EBR get nothing.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:15 pm to 3nOut
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I admit to not being fully educated on the entirety of the situation.
Take this from the perspective of a resident of the unincorporated area and someone who fully supports and plans to vote FOR the measure:
There’s a gravy train going on in the City of Baton Rouge that’s being largely funded by the people in the unincorporated areas, with input from us neither sought nor accepted on how those $$$ are spent. In other words, ‘just sit down, shut up and keep on forking over’.
We’re tired of that. Therefore, we want to incorporate into our own municipality. There’s no “breakaway”. We were never part of anything to break away from to begin with.
TPTB in Baton Rouge know that if (when) this incorporation measure passes, then that’s it: no more gravy train. Free ride over. This terrifies them. So they’re pulling out all the stops, using any means fair or foul to keep this from happening. They fought tooth and nail to keep it off the ballot altogether (succeeded 4 years ago, failed this time) and now are doing everything they can to keep it from passing...including falsely painting it as a “breakaway”, which has negative (racist?) connotations.
Take it for what it’s worth. This is what it is.
And as I’m typing this, I just got one of the bogus text messages from the measure’s opponents. Please excuse me as I go find the most civil way possible to tell them to go frick themselves.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:19 pm to Godfather1
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"The Greatest Generation" created the city parish model therefore it must still be the best for Baton Rouge
BR had 34,719 citizens in 1940 but grew to 125,629 in 1950. BR was booming. In 1960 BR grew to 152,419, 1970 165,921 and in 1980 220,394. TODAY the population is estimated at 221,599. What is wrong with this picture?
EBR Parish 1940 88,415 (more out of BR than in BR). 1950 158,246(the city took off).
Now the parish is estimated at 447,037 (2016). Now again the non BR citizens outnumber the BR citizens in the parish. Dynamics have changed.
Folks outside of BR want more, they pay for more and the status quo hasn’t given them more.
In 1947 we had Jim Crow, segregated schools, a robust NBR, and black and white neighborhoods. There was no interstate, 190 and Airline Hwy. were primary arteries. One bridge and a ferry crossed the River. America had just won a bloody war and people were still celebrating and Korea was still down the road.
Times have changed. It’s hard for me ti believe that the greatest generation had planned for all the changes we’ve seen today, and took into consideration all the different issues we see today.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:24 pm to MLCLyons
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Also a lot of them are Republicans.
The "conservatives" for JBE type Republicans.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:25 pm to doubleb
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BR had 34,719 citizens in 1940 but grew to 125,629 in 1950.
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EBR Parish 1940 88,415 (more out of BR than in BR). 1950 158,246(the city took off).
WWII and Korea creating jobs at Standard Oil (Exxon). Wartime booms.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:26 pm to toosleaux
When you put certain people in charge, everything goes to shite. Ask Jackson, Memphis, and Flint. Apparently voters in New Orleans and Baton Rouge can’t WAIT to take the same path. If you don’t create suburbs out from under their thumb, they’ll take you down with them.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:10 pm to johnnyrocket
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You have a ground maintenance crew to cut grass which surprisingly handles Southdowns, Mid City, and Southdowns. If you do not live in these areas good luck.
They don’t cover those areas. The property owners in those areas (either directly or through homeowners associations) cut the grass there. Stop waiting on the BR government to provide services and do it yourself.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:19 pm to toosleaux
For those not fully versed on the issue: here’s a synopsis I posted in another thread:
In the 1980’s, a federal court ordered a radical desegregation order that forced public school students to be bussed to the opposite side of town to go to school. Students could no longer go to the school near where they lived. Predictably, this triggered massive middle class exodus from the school system and the parish as a whole as those with means began sending their kids to private schools and those with slightly less means moved to Ascension and Livingston parishes. Baton Rouge’s public school system went from being one of the best in the state to one of the worst.
Fast forward to the 2000’s, the forced bussing deseg order is partially lifted, allowing for a return to some form of neighborhood schooling. Over the previous 20 years, massive population growth had occurred on the southeast side of EBR parish, but those neighborhoods had never been incorporated into the city of Baton Rouge for two reasons:
1. Federal voting rights act prohibits annexation of new areas into a city if doing so would dilute “minority” voting power (even if “minorities” are the majority). The Southeast side is overwhelmingly white and middle class.
2. The city and parish moved to a merged form of government where there was one “metro” counsel rather than a city counsel and a parish counsel and the mayor/parish president is elected parish wide. Parks, libraries, schools, and public works are all managed by the parish with police and fire protection provided by the city.
This arrangement made sense because once Scotlandville (a minority majority town north of the city where the airport and Southern University is located) merged with Baton Rouge, there was only one incorporated area in the parish. However, Baker wanted to be their own city and incorporated nearly immediately afterwards and managed to, by incorporating, get their own Baker School District. This wasn’t fought against too hard because Baker is majority black.
So, when that deseg order was lifted in the 2000’s, the southeast side of the parish. demanded new schools be built so their children wouldn’t have to be bussed as far away to go to school. They were told to pound sand by the school board.
The area of Zachary responded by incorporating and forming its own school district on the north side. It’s schools are now among the best in the state. Central followed a few years later by voting to incorporate and create their own school district, which despite heavy opposition, managed to happen. Central High, as a result, went from being a D rated school to one of the best high schools in the state.
The southeast side of the parish then tried to form an independent school district, but were told no, that they had to incorporate to do that. They then tried to incorporate all of the unincorporated areas on the southeast side of the parish, but between the race-baiting of the media and Baton Rouge government, a massive smear campaign, targeting of petition signers, and major shenanigans in the vetting process of the petition, it was denied a chance to make incorporating go to a ballot initiative. As a response, the city gerrymandered some boundaries to avoid incorporating any new people, but took control of several major businesses including the hospitals and most of the Mall of Louisiana as a way to starve any newly formed city of sales tax revenue.
The St. George supporters then proposed an olive branch. They would drop their support for incorporation and forming a new school district if the school board agreed to build a new high school and a few new primary and middle schools on that side of the parish. Once again, they were told to pound sand.
After waiting the requisite time, the St. George supporters circulated a new petition to incorporate, but with more refined boundaries and a smaller footprint to make the signature threshold for the petition more obtainable. They purposely excluded many black neighborhoods on the southeast side of town as well as many large apartment complexes. Despite more calls of racism and personal threats to petition signers, this second attempt was successful at getting St. George on the ballot. While some shenanigans managed to delay the vote from the spring to the fall, it will be up for popular vote in the St. George area this fall. If successful, St. George will then be able to start the next fight to form their own school district.
The reason BR is fighting incorporation so strongly is that sales taxes collected in the unincorporated areas are, for some crazy reason, being put into the city’s general fund which is used to fund police, fire, etc. So, despite them being taxed for these services, they’re not being provided them. Basically, the unincorporated areas are being used as a tax colony by the city while being passed over for improvements to schools and infrastructure because f$&k whitey. If the St. George revenue starts flowing into a St. George city general fund instead of to Baton Rouge’s city fund, the ponzi scheme will collapse and the city government will be forced to cut spending dramatically. There’s all kinds of duplication of services going on in the city with these “rec centers” in poor neighborhoods that perform all of the same services as the parks, but are owned by the city, funded by the city, and managed by family members of counsel members. They’re used as a jobs, money-laundering, and vote-buying program. The corrupt city government is facing serious repercussions for their incompetence.
In the 1980’s, a federal court ordered a radical desegregation order that forced public school students to be bussed to the opposite side of town to go to school. Students could no longer go to the school near where they lived. Predictably, this triggered massive middle class exodus from the school system and the parish as a whole as those with means began sending their kids to private schools and those with slightly less means moved to Ascension and Livingston parishes. Baton Rouge’s public school system went from being one of the best in the state to one of the worst.
Fast forward to the 2000’s, the forced bussing deseg order is partially lifted, allowing for a return to some form of neighborhood schooling. Over the previous 20 years, massive population growth had occurred on the southeast side of EBR parish, but those neighborhoods had never been incorporated into the city of Baton Rouge for two reasons:
1. Federal voting rights act prohibits annexation of new areas into a city if doing so would dilute “minority” voting power (even if “minorities” are the majority). The Southeast side is overwhelmingly white and middle class.
2. The city and parish moved to a merged form of government where there was one “metro” counsel rather than a city counsel and a parish counsel and the mayor/parish president is elected parish wide. Parks, libraries, schools, and public works are all managed by the parish with police and fire protection provided by the city.
This arrangement made sense because once Scotlandville (a minority majority town north of the city where the airport and Southern University is located) merged with Baton Rouge, there was only one incorporated area in the parish. However, Baker wanted to be their own city and incorporated nearly immediately afterwards and managed to, by incorporating, get their own Baker School District. This wasn’t fought against too hard because Baker is majority black.
So, when that deseg order was lifted in the 2000’s, the southeast side of the parish. demanded new schools be built so their children wouldn’t have to be bussed as far away to go to school. They were told to pound sand by the school board.
The area of Zachary responded by incorporating and forming its own school district on the north side. It’s schools are now among the best in the state. Central followed a few years later by voting to incorporate and create their own school district, which despite heavy opposition, managed to happen. Central High, as a result, went from being a D rated school to one of the best high schools in the state.
The southeast side of the parish then tried to form an independent school district, but were told no, that they had to incorporate to do that. They then tried to incorporate all of the unincorporated areas on the southeast side of the parish, but between the race-baiting of the media and Baton Rouge government, a massive smear campaign, targeting of petition signers, and major shenanigans in the vetting process of the petition, it was denied a chance to make incorporating go to a ballot initiative. As a response, the city gerrymandered some boundaries to avoid incorporating any new people, but took control of several major businesses including the hospitals and most of the Mall of Louisiana as a way to starve any newly formed city of sales tax revenue.
The St. George supporters then proposed an olive branch. They would drop their support for incorporation and forming a new school district if the school board agreed to build a new high school and a few new primary and middle schools on that side of the parish. Once again, they were told to pound sand.
After waiting the requisite time, the St. George supporters circulated a new petition to incorporate, but with more refined boundaries and a smaller footprint to make the signature threshold for the petition more obtainable. They purposely excluded many black neighborhoods on the southeast side of town as well as many large apartment complexes. Despite more calls of racism and personal threats to petition signers, this second attempt was successful at getting St. George on the ballot. While some shenanigans managed to delay the vote from the spring to the fall, it will be up for popular vote in the St. George area this fall. If successful, St. George will then be able to start the next fight to form their own school district.
The reason BR is fighting incorporation so strongly is that sales taxes collected in the unincorporated areas are, for some crazy reason, being put into the city’s general fund which is used to fund police, fire, etc. So, despite them being taxed for these services, they’re not being provided them. Basically, the unincorporated areas are being used as a tax colony by the city while being passed over for improvements to schools and infrastructure because f$&k whitey. If the St. George revenue starts flowing into a St. George city general fund instead of to Baton Rouge’s city fund, the ponzi scheme will collapse and the city government will be forced to cut spending dramatically. There’s all kinds of duplication of services going on in the city with these “rec centers” in poor neighborhoods that perform all of the same services as the parks, but are owned by the city, funded by the city, and managed by family members of counsel members. They’re used as a jobs, money-laundering, and vote-buying program. The corrupt city government is facing serious repercussions for their incompetence.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:33 pm to kingbob
Thanks for that. I had a grasp on the most recent stuff but I didn't realize the full history.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:49 pm to kingbob
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Basically, the unincorporated areas are being used as a tax colony by the city while being passed over for improvements to schools and infrastructure
This cannot be restated enough.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:51 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Any Republican that’s against SG is a RINO piece of shite.
Lots of republicans already have their kids in private school and live in a nice bubble. They don’t care about anyone else not north BR or people below them.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:53 pm to toosleaux
I didn’t need an editorial to tell me that The Advocate was against unincorporated East Baton Rouge creating their own city.
I’ve read their coverage of the issue. Their stance has been made clear.
I’ve read their coverage of the issue. Their stance has been made clear.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:00 pm to Godfather1
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Take this from the perspective of a resident of the unincorporated area and someone who fully supports and plans to vote FOR the measure:
I love that you fully stated your position before you explained your reason for it. That's transparency.
I'd now love for some who is on the other side of the argument to come in and explain the reasons for the their position.
WHile born and raised in Central and spent 20 years in Baton Rouge city limits, I now live out of the area so I don't have a dog in the fight. I also don't have children so I think my thoughts aren’t really relevent since public schools play such a critical part in the equation.
So, someone come in and explain why they don't support the measure and PLEASE leave race out of it because that totally disqualifies your position.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:04 pm to lsu13lsu
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Lots of republicans already have their kids in private school and live in a nice bubble. They don’t care about anyone else not north BR or people below them.
I have my kid in private school but wish the public options were better for families that wanted to stay in the area.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:13 pm to toosleaux
“IT’S NOT ABOUT RACE!”
(It’s about race.)
(It’s about race.)
Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:14 pm to toosleaux
Just wait to see the real collapse of honest reporting when st. George is approved.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:43 pm to toosleaux
People standing up and trying to fix their communities could be bad for the status quo.
The ruling class can’t have that, can they?
The ruling class can’t have that, can they?
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