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re: Kerr: Davis Trade Bad For League
Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:45 pm to MoneyBuysJetskis
Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:45 pm to MoneyBuysJetskis
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First post but yeah he's right. Bigger problem is Paul George requesting a trade his first year of his 4 year contract. This will be discussed in the new CBA
Not good but there are a few things in play.
One, both PG and Westbrook were apparently unhappy in OKC and had said as much to Presti quietly.
Two, the Thunder didn't want to pay legendary amounts of luxury tax to get eliminated in the first round, as opposed to the Warriors paying that much or more and getting 3 titles in 5 seasons.
Three, and this is the most important part, PG kept his mouth shut outside of talking to Presti to the point where no one knew he was on the market until he was traded.
If AD had kept his goddamn mouth shut until the end of last season, he could have been traded with a minimum of hubbub and still probably ended up in LA because the biggest things that dropped Boston as a destination were the losses of Kyrie and Horford, which had nothing to do with AD.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
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Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:46 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The crazy cap expansion that happened to facilitate Durant to the Warriors was horrible for the league.
Even taking Durant out of the equation, it fricked free agency that year because everyone bid on those bozos like the expansion would continue.
It also fricked free agency in subsequent years because a bunch of guys were PISSED that Mozgov et all were getting paid more than they were.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:12 pm to teke184
Right, but that issue was also the players’ “fault”.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:14 pm to Shameless
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With respect to players being traded, the “shoes on the other foot” narrative is weak. If the players don’t want to be traded on a whim, than maybe they should own a team? Let’s not forget who pays who here...
And let's not forget who pays to see who...
Let's not go down this stupid road of who needs the other more. The owners don't make money without the players driving the popularity of the league and the players don't get paid without the owners paying them. Both need each other. It's stupid and completely pointless to try to determine which side needs the other more.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:18 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The teams own the contracts after they are signed, there’s no question about that.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:24 pm to WB504
It’s called a contract.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:26 pm to garvatron
quote:For the rest of the league it’s now a problem, but it benefited both teams involved in the trade so im not sure what the frick he means by that.
Kerr said the trend of players who are not free agents forcing trades to get out of existing contracts, as evidenced by the Davis-to-Lakers deal, is a "real problem."
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:27 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Let's not go down this stupid road of who needs the other more. The owners don't make money without the players driving the popularity of the league and the players don't get paid without the owners paying them. Both need each other. It's stupid and completely pointless to try to determine which side needs the other more.
no trade clause for some at least can remove some of that, but at the same time it sucks to be shipped off when you wanted to settle.
houston for example gives 0 fricks about players
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:39 pm to teke184
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Two, the Thunder didn't want to pay legendary amounts of luxury tax to get eliminated in the first round, as opposed to the Warriors paying that much or more and getting 3 titles in 5 seasons.
Absolutely this. The Thunder were about to pay the repeater tax for a team with no chance to win a title. I 100% guarantee you that ownership was thrilled about Paul George's trade request. It gave him an excuse to blow up the team and save tons of money, retool for the future, and set the foundation for future contention.
The Paul George trade worked out great for everyone involved, except for OKC fans who have season tickets this coming season.
The AD situation ended up working out well for us too, but only because we got lucky and got Zion. If that 6% chance doesn't come through for us on lottery night, the hate on this board for AD would be lightning hot, and justifiably so, instead of the laughing-at-his-idiot-self that we mostly do here. We only ended up getting a good return from his trade request because we got lucky.
The other big difference between the situations is that LeBron, Rich Paul, and the Lakers blatantly tampered in their attempt to force an AD trade. Kawhi was a free agent, so his asking PG to join him didn't represent tampering at all.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:57 pm to garvatron
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Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr is not happy with the events that transpired to expedite the departure of Anthony Davis from the New Orleans Pelicans to the Los Angeles Lakers, saying it was "bad for the league."
Kerr said the trend of players who are not free agents forcing trades to get out of existing contracts, as evidenced by the Davis-to-Lakers deal, is a "real problem."
He's right. But, Durant signing with Golden State was also bad for the league.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 10:19 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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It’s called a contract.
You’re being very naive if you think the players will find that response acceptable. For any Anthony Davis situation, the players will point to the Harrison Barnes situation or Blake Griffin.
My initial comment was simply to play devils advocate because it’s clear the NBA as currently constructed is a players league, and the players will try leverage that even more at the next CBA.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 10:48 pm to WB504
Blake got screwed considering the hard pitch they made to keep him in LA.
That being said, part of their buyer's remorse, IIRC, was the simple fact that CP3 had forced his way out to Houston through the threat of opting out of his contract and becoming a FA if he didn't get his way. That Griffin-CP3-Jordan core stays together and they probably don't trade Griffin.
Harrison Barnes? He got paid a shite ton of money to go to Dallas and underachieved. My a-hole bleeds over him being sent to Sacramento since he ended up getting another huge contract out of it.
Trades and trade demands are all part of the game. The big issues are very public demands, especially those coupled with the player actively tanking their own value either through shitty behavior or refusing to go to potential trade partners.
A name I don't think has been brought up in conjunction with this whole mess yet is Jimmy Butler, who managed to force his way out of two teams in about as many seasons.
In the case of Chicago, that was a mutual parting IIRC because they wanted to break up that team and start over.
In Minny? That was a clusterfrick as Butler demanded out within a year of arriving and started making a major distraction of himself to get moved.
Strangely enough, he behaved well in Philly even though that wasn't his preferred destination.
That being said, part of their buyer's remorse, IIRC, was the simple fact that CP3 had forced his way out to Houston through the threat of opting out of his contract and becoming a FA if he didn't get his way. That Griffin-CP3-Jordan core stays together and they probably don't trade Griffin.
Harrison Barnes? He got paid a shite ton of money to go to Dallas and underachieved. My a-hole bleeds over him being sent to Sacramento since he ended up getting another huge contract out of it.
Trades and trade demands are all part of the game. The big issues are very public demands, especially those coupled with the player actively tanking their own value either through shitty behavior or refusing to go to potential trade partners.
A name I don't think has been brought up in conjunction with this whole mess yet is Jimmy Butler, who managed to force his way out of two teams in about as many seasons.
In the case of Chicago, that was a mutual parting IIRC because they wanted to break up that team and start over.
In Minny? That was a clusterfrick as Butler demanded out within a year of arriving and started making a major distraction of himself to get moved.
Strangely enough, he behaved well in Philly even though that wasn't his preferred destination.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:17 pm to teke184
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Harrison Barnes? He got paid a shite ton of money to go to Dallas and underachieved. My a-hole bleeds over him being sent to Sacramento since he ended up getting another huge contract out of it.
You’re not wrong, but the players aren’t thinking like this. Just look at Lebron’s comments about the Barnes trade. You’d have to think a large number of players share his views on the subject.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:49 pm to garvatron
Of course its bad for business if contract is meaningless.
Agents push for 4 yr max.
Just end multi year deals.
Next bargaining agreement.
One year at a time.
All men are free.
Agents push for 4 yr max.
Just end multi year deals.
Next bargaining agreement.
One year at a time.
All men are free.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 6:21 am to garvatron
Look I don’t agree with Kerr’s political stances. Here though he is 100% correct. Players need to abide by the contracts they sign. Until owners get together and stand up to the players this won’t change.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 6:27 am to TrouserTrout
As a fan of a TEAM, I like for them to have control. As an impartial observer, why shouldn't the player ask/demand a trade if he doesn't like said team? He can be traded even if he doesn't want to (assuming no no-trade clause). Hopefully Pels org and fans create a culture that players wanna stay a part of.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 7:45 am to Milesahead
If players want to be in a league where they can just up and leave or request to leave when they want. Maybe the league should do away with guaranteed contracts. That way it’s more like real life employment.
Can you imagine the amount of chaos that would happen if players were able to just jump around like they want. These primadonnas change their mind each week.
Can you imagine the amount of chaos that would happen if players were able to just jump around like they want. These primadonnas change their mind each week.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 7:45 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 7:51 am to WB504
quote:If the players want trade requests to be a legit avenue that doesn't receive pushback, they need to negotiate that into the next CBA so that there can be an expectation as to what is considered on the up and up, and what is not allowed.
You’re being very naive if you think the players will find that response acceptable. For any Anthony Davis situation, the players will point to the Harrison Barnes situation or Blake Griffin.
My initial comment was simply to play devils advocate because it’s clear the NBA as currently constructed is a players league, and the players will try leverage that even more at the next CBA.
As I suggested earlier, maybe something that only allows players to be traded if they are in the last year of their contract, or if before then, both the player and team have to agree. And, there must be major negative ramifications if trade requests/demands are made public.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 8:16 am to Epic Cajun
the lockout when th CBA expires is going to be protracted and messy
Posted on 7/25/19 at 8:20 am to cgrand
quote:I agree. Luckily we have 4 seasons of basketball before this one expires.
the lockout when th CBA expires is going to be protracted and messy
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