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re: Fletch 3: The Fletchening...Pels want Beal in 3 team trade
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:27 pm to Dogstar
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:27 pm to Dogstar
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Zion is a man child and thus he should be the youngest player on the roster. I don’t see any issues with him playing with 21-26 year olds. It’s very likely he’s going to have rookie Blake griffin type impact and numbers (20/10+). With that assumption, you want to try to make a run for the playoffs. He will be ready to kick arse by the time he hits his first playoff game, and having Beal and Jrue there with him will make the experience all the more wonderful. This post was edited on 6/13 at 1:01 pm
Yeah I don’t claim to have a fraction of the basketball acumen that a lot of people on here do but I don’t understand why some are singing up on a bunch of random first round pics. I’d much rather a man child like Zion get thrown in with guys playing at a high level early than developing on a shite sandwich team for years.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:33 pm to Puddinhead
Jrue Holiday is 29, guess the Pelicans can't use him, either? Beal is an amazing talent, has multiple years left on his contract, and is in his prime.
Some of you think the Pelicans are going to be able to compile this Super-Team of three plus can't-miss-all-stars-to-be between the ages of 20 and 23. And then go on to dominate for a decade or whatever.
That's naive. You take a package with Beal 10 times out of 10 over Tatum who may or may not live up to his potential.
Some of you think the Pelicans are going to be able to compile this Super-Team of three plus can't-miss-all-stars-to-be between the ages of 20 and 23. And then go on to dominate for a decade or whatever.
That's naive. You take a package with Beal 10 times out of 10 over Tatum who may or may not live up to his potential.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:34 pm to St Augustine
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I’d much rather a man child like Zion get thrown in with guys playing at a high level early than developing on a shite sandwich team for years.
Agreed. On a crummy team, Zion might develop bad habits and try to play hero ball, instead of learning to maximize his skills and use them appropriately.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:36 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Jrue Holiday is 29, guess the Pelicans can't use him, either? Beal is an amazing talent, has multiple years left on his contract, and is in his prime.
Some of you think the Pelicans are going to be able to compile this Super-Team of three plus can't-miss-all-stars-to-be between the ages of 20 and 23. And then go on to dominate for a decade or whatever.
That's naive. You take a package with Beal 10 times out of 10 over Tatum who may or may not live up to his potential.
That's not how to build around Zion.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:37 pm to Lester Earl
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You fricks want to build around Jrue and he’s like 30
I'm not sure who wants to do that.
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26 is young . He has like 6 years before you even talk about a decline
I think the idea is that some of us want young players who will have their prime overlap with Zion's. If we get a player like Tatum, who is only 2 years older than Zion, a large portion of their prime years will occur at the same time, which increases the odds that this team will be successful. Let's say Zion reaches his prime in 5 years, at 24 years old. Beal will already be 31, and will be close to a decline. So we may end up with one or two years where our best players are the best they can be.
This isn't a huge deal to me, but I can understand the thought process behind it.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:38 pm to Vegas Buffet
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That's not how to build around Zion.
In your biased opinion.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:39 pm to Puddinhead
quote:If you said he was young, he would argue that he was old.
I mean he literally said he's not old and not young. 26 is smack dab in the middle. You just want to argue.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:41 pm to Unknown_Poster
quote:I love Tatum but I don't think he really has the upside as high as some make it out to be.
That's naive. You take a package with Beal 10 times out of 10 over Tatum who may or may not live up to his potential.
If Tatum turned into peak Beal(who isn't likely at his peak yet anyway), that would be fantastic for Tatum.
There's a chance peak Tatum could be better than whatever the best version of Beal is, but I don't think it's a very high chance IMO.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:43 pm to Fun Bunch
My concern with Beal is this:
3p%
2014 .402
2015 .409
2016 .387
2017 .404
2018 .375
2019 .351
Significant drops the last 2 seasons
3p%
2014 .402
2015 .409
2016 .387
2017 .404
2018 .375
2019 .351
Significant drops the last 2 seasons
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:46 pm to Overbrook
Dude was damn near unstoppable on the offensive end at the end of last year. This isnt a concern at all.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:46 pm to shel311
Exactly, the jury is still out on Tatum. I get why the Boston shill wants to hype Tatum, because he wants AD. What I don't get is why a lot of people here seem to think Tatum is some sure-fire lock.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:47 pm to Overbrook
quote:
My concern with Beal is this:
3p%
2014 .402
2015 .409
2016 .387
2017 .404
2018 .375
2019 .351
Significant drops the last 2 seasons
I haven't looked at the numbers, but the easy explanation for this is that he's had the ball in his hands much more these past two seasons, so I would assume a larger percent of his 3's attempted were from off the dribble rather than spot up. That would explain the drop in 3pt percentage.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:47 pm to Overbrook
quote:Not too concerning IMO.
My concern with Beal is this:
3p%
2014 .402
2015 .409
2016 .387
2017 .404
2018 .375
2019 .351
Significant drops the last 2 seasons
This year could be seen as concerning, but they played a different game with Wall out.
Before this season, for his career, 84% of Beal's 3s were assisted. This season it was 71.8%. Basically less catch and shoot and more 3s off the dribble because the team was in shambles and had no one to create space for him.
With the Pels, Jrue and Zion would be able to create to hopefully get that assisted % back up to 80%.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:48 pm to shel311
quote:
Before this season, for his career, 84% of Beal's 3s were assisted. This season it was 71.8%. Basically less catch and shoot and more 3s off the dribble because the team was in shambles and had no one to create space for him.
As expected
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:49 pm to Unknown_Poster
quote:Where has anyone said Tatum was a lock? I just think many think he is the best asset of those that have been rumored to be involved in a potential trade.
Exactly, the jury is still out on Tatum. I get why the Boston shill wants to hype Tatum, because he wants AD. What I don't get is why a lot of people here seem to think Tatum is some sure-fire lock.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:51 pm to NOSHAU
I see him as having flashed as much or more potential than any other young piece mentioned in addition to having an extra year on his contract that Ingram doesn’t.
Will he be the best player out of any of the ones mentioned? Not necessarily. But he has a high floor, he fits a position of need, and we would have control over him for longer than his comparable number from the Lakers.
Will he be the best player out of any of the ones mentioned? Not necessarily. But he has a high floor, he fits a position of need, and we would have control over him for longer than his comparable number from the Lakers.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:51 pm to NOSHAU
Better than Beal? I get the Beal thing is a long-shot but my specific point in this thread is that Tatum is not a better asset than Beal.
In a vacuum, though, if you throw out an outlier like Beal then, yes, I agree that Tatum is the most valuable asset. But whether or not the package that includes him is better overall than the Lakers (or another team's) package is debatable.
And, yes, I've seen a decent number of people on here saying "I just want Tatum and be done with it." That logic is shortsighted.
In a vacuum, though, if you throw out an outlier like Beal then, yes, I agree that Tatum is the most valuable asset. But whether or not the package that includes him is better overall than the Lakers (or another team's) package is debatable.
And, yes, I've seen a decent number of people on here saying "I just want Tatum and be done with it." That logic is shortsighted.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:53 pm to Overbrook
Wall missed very significant time the past 2 seasons so beal has had to take more shots.
2016: 17.2
2018: Nearly 20
Plus 7 3s a game the past couple of years, wizards basically had nothing besides him.
If he gets back to just over 5 it should bounce back to 38-40%
2016: 17.2
2018: Nearly 20
Plus 7 3s a game the past couple of years, wizards basically had nothing besides him.
If he gets back to just over 5 it should bounce back to 38-40%
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:53 pm to NOSHAU
Very very good distinction. We have no idea how good Tatum will be, but even if he doesn’t become the next KD, he has a high floor. He’s a low risk/high reward guy
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:53 pm to Unknown_Poster
quote:I don't think Beal is realistic at all. If he were, there is not a poster on here who has said they would take Tatum over Beal.
Better than Beal? I get the Beal thing is a long-shot but my specific point in this thread is that Tatum is not a better asset than Beal.
In a vacuum, though, if you throw out an outlier like Beal then, yes, I agree that Tatum is the most valuable asset. But whether or not the package that includes him is better overall than the Lakers (or another team's) package is debatable.
And, yes, I've seen a decent number of people on here saying "I just want Tatum and be done with it." That logic is shortsighted.
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