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Should Tom have figured out "It was Barzini all along" himself, and a lot sooner?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:00 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:00 am
Was this something that could have been surmised by a "wartime" consigliere, long before the meeting of the families?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:03 am to Tarik One
I don't believe so. He had a lot of other shite to worry about at the time.
I think the Don himself figured it out at the meeting of the families. It was there he read them all like a good poker player.
I think the Don himself figured it out at the meeting of the families. It was there he read them all like a good poker player.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 8:05 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:04 am to Tarik One
I don't remember the finer points but I think Tom needed the experience and instincts of the Don to sift this out.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:34 am to Tarik One
Tom was smart. He was very smart.
But he was no Sansa Stark.
But he was no Sansa Stark.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:43 am to Tarik One
Barzini kind of took over the meeting. That’s when Vito realized what was going on. Tom probably should have suspected it at that point, but he was more worried about the day to day logistics.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:55 am to Tarik One
Tom had spent the war to that point trying to manage Sonny, which was a losing battle.
It’s hard to focus on your enemies when you have trouble keeping your boss / brother thinking straight.
It’s hard to focus on your enemies when you have trouble keeping your boss / brother thinking straight.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:12 am to Suntiger
Yup. Barzini talked too much at that meeting.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:40 am to Tarik One
quote:
“Tattaglia is a pimp. He never could have outfought Santino. But I didn't know until this day that it was Barzini all along.”
the don figured it out at the meeting, when barzini showed himself
how was it that tom should have known sooner?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:49 am to prplhze2000
Barzini got his in the end along with Tattaglia and Moe Green.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:56 am to Tarik One
Even The Don wasn’t sure until Barzini stepped-in at the Commission meeting when Philip Tattaglia was trying to talk shite to Vito about judges and politicians.
Remember, when Vito and Tom got back in the car and Tom asked about insisting that Tattaglia’s people have clean records and The Don told Tom that Tattaglia was a pimp who never could have out-foxed Santino .... but he didn’t realize until the very day that it was Barzini.
Then, at Vito’s funeral everyone, including Tessio, was kissing Barzini’s ring. That was confirmation of two things. (Barzini and Tessio)
Tom couldn’t have realized it because not even Vito realized it until that day, after the meeting
Now, Bruno Tattaglia was the one that killed Luca .... in the book Bruno was an expert with the knife and he stabbed Luca in the hand pinning it to the bar so Luca could be garroted. But it was his older brother Philip who was in charge of the family and the rift over Saliozzo is what had everyone fooled about it being the Tattaglias in the first place.
Remember, when Vito and Tom got back in the car and Tom asked about insisting that Tattaglia’s people have clean records and The Don told Tom that Tattaglia was a pimp who never could have out-foxed Santino .... but he didn’t realize until the very day that it was Barzini.
Then, at Vito’s funeral everyone, including Tessio, was kissing Barzini’s ring. That was confirmation of two things. (Barzini and Tessio)
Tom couldn’t have realized it because not even Vito realized it until that day, after the meeting
Now, Bruno Tattaglia was the one that killed Luca .... in the book Bruno was an expert with the knife and he stabbed Luca in the hand pinning it to the bar so Luca could be garroted. But it was his older brother Philip who was in charge of the family and the rift over Saliozzo is what had everyone fooled about it being the Tattaglias in the first place.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:15 pm to Tarik One
The real question is who left the drapes open in Kate's bedroom and then killed the assassins?
Freedo claimed his innocence to Michael and seemed genuinely suprised by the Johnny Ola call.Plus I believe both assassins were killed with a knife...don't think Fredo had that capability.
Freedo claimed his innocence to Michael and seemed genuinely suprised by the Johnny Ola call.Plus I believe both assassins were killed with a knife...don't think Fredo had that capability.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 3:28 pm to Tarik One
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Was this something that could have been surmised by a "wartime" consigliere
I always assumed this was the reason that Michael removed him as consigliere as soon as he became boss and had the Don take over that position.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:14 pm to cgrand
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Tattaglia
The least respected hood in a movie until Miller's Crossing gave us Johnny Caspar in its opening scene.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:03 pm to Tarik One
Geeze spoiler alert next time!
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:03 pm to TigerScratch
quote:
I always assumed this was the reason that Michael removed him as consigliere as soon as he became boss and had the Don take over that position.
I think Michael was a little resentful of Tom's status, which got fleshed out more in part II. Tom was Sonny's friend, not Michael's. Michael had his father's advice regardless, so there was no reason to tell Tom he was "out." It was some kind of loyalty test. And then later we find out Michael thinks he can make Tom some kind of corporate attorney for the Corleone Family going legit. So it's a little convoluted for Michael to act like Tom needed to be removed because of the Barzini thing.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:53 pm to Tarik One
The Don advises Michael...
"Now listen : Who ever comes to you with this Barzini meeting... He's the traitor.
Don't forget that."
I love that scene.
And this one:
Settling all family business
"Now listen : Who ever comes to you with this Barzini meeting... He's the traitor.
Don't forget that."
I love that scene.
And this one:
Settling all family business
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:00 pm
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