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I'm becoming convinced that WW will be cleared
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:28 pm
After seeing Ben McDonald's comment to Dick Vitale, I spent some time reading up a bit more on the case(s).
There are a couple reasons I've changed my opinion:
1. Book Richardson (1 of 3 convicted Adidas bribers) went ahead and settled his plea agreement. There's no reason Christian Dawkins still couldn't do the same and the evidence would become inadmissible.
2. The reason Christian Dawkins is not settling is stated to be that he was 'not bribing coaches' like the other two implicated. It appears the defense has sufficient evidence to support this and only need WW to testify that the recorded conversation was not about Dawkins bribing him. I doubt there will even be a reason to discuss the particulars of the damn strong scholarship offer to Smart.
There are a couple reasons I've changed my opinion:
1. Book Richardson (1 of 3 convicted Adidas bribers) went ahead and settled his plea agreement. There's no reason Christian Dawkins still couldn't do the same and the evidence would become inadmissible.
2. The reason Christian Dawkins is not settling is stated to be that he was 'not bribing coaches' like the other two implicated. It appears the defense has sufficient evidence to support this and only need WW to testify that the recorded conversation was not about Dawkins bribing him. I doubt there will even be a reason to discuss the particulars of the damn strong scholarship offer to Smart.
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:32 pm to lsutigermall
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the evidence would become inadmissible
The NCAA doesn't need "admissible evidence" to punish Wade. And to be clear, Wade is not on trial for anything and is not being investigated by the FBI. The FBI has already agreed to provide the NCAA with all information upon completion of its investigation (and prosecution). If the FBI has it, the NCAA is going to get it.
Don't get me wrong, I really want Wade to stay and think he ultimately can if our administrator doesn't overreact. Whether the evidence is admissible is completely irrelevant to what the NCAA ultimately does here.
For about the 1,000th time, this has very little to do with what may or may not happen at the April trial. The reality is Wade is not going to testify because his testimony is completely irrelevant to the case (i.e. whether these individuals bribed the coaches at OKla St., TCU, Kansas, Creighton adn NC State).
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:34 pm to lsutigermall
I hope you're right. Wait for the incoming posters who are all oddly gleeful that you likely are wrong.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:34 pm to lsutigermall
You are misunderstanding how this is working. Will Wade is not on federal trial. What happens now in those cases is largely irrelevant. The ncaa is aware of the transcript and will likely conduct its own investigation into the comments in the wiretap and other things. Cat is out of the bag.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:36 pm to lsutigermall
quote:
I'm becoming convinced that WW will be cleared
...There are a couple reasons I've changed my opinion:
I've got 8 reasons why I've changed my opinion on Wade getting fired...
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:37 pm to lsutigermall
I continue to believe that there is no real reason for concern, in terms of federal charges down the road. There isn't enough there to go to court with, unless there is more we haven't been told.
It's what the NCAA will do, that is so unpredictable. I don't see a legitimate case for them to pursue, either, but that doesn't mean they won't do it, anyway.
Other programs have gotten away with some pretty egregious violations, and our situation is petty next to theirs. But those programs are blue bloods who, as we've seen with the hypocritical media coverage, get special treatment. I'm not sure if we can count on a fair "trial" for LSU. But there's at least a chance, based on the lack of hard evidence.
It's what the NCAA will do, that is so unpredictable. I don't see a legitimate case for them to pursue, either, but that doesn't mean they won't do it, anyway.
Other programs have gotten away with some pretty egregious violations, and our situation is petty next to theirs. But those programs are blue bloods who, as we've seen with the hypocritical media coverage, get special treatment. I'm not sure if we can count on a fair "trial" for LSU. But there's at least a chance, based on the lack of hard evidence.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:37 pm to lsutigermall
I’ve been very pro Wade during this situation. I still am pro Wade, but the longer this drags on, the less I feel likely Wade will be coaching at LSU again.
I said it a couple days ago and I’ll say it again, if Wade isn’t on the plane to Nashville tomorrow, he won’t coach at LSU again.
I said it a couple days ago and I’ll say it again, if Wade isn’t on the plane to Nashville tomorrow, he won’t coach at LSU again.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:42 pm to lsutigermall
quote:Zero chance WW testifies. less than 50% he gets called.
only need WW to testify that the recorded conversation was not about Dawkins bribing him
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:43 pm to lsutigermall
The Feds aren’t subpoenaing Wade.
They may still try and get his testimony withheld.
Then he can bullshite to the NCAA All he wants.
They may still try and get his testimony withheld.
Then he can bullshite to the NCAA All he wants.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:44 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:
But there's at least a chance, based on the lack of hard evidence.
Except we don't know what we don't know. I am hopeful the worst and most incriminating wiretap has been released. If so, the storm can be weathered. If there are more tapes..... I see storms on the horizon.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:47 pm to lsutigermall
This all hinges on if the fbi shares the tapes with the ncaa. WW is quiet right now because he doesn’t know what exactly is on tape and who will have access to it. Even if cleared he may be done at LSU, because he will no longer be able to participate in the pay for play game.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:53 pm to ellessuuuu
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The FBI has already agreed to provide the NCAA with all information upon completion of its investigation
It appears the FBI is only giving them evidence admitted during the trial. Evidence submitted in the first trial but ruled inadmissible was not given to the NCAA. That would include the Wade recording.
The NCAA filed a motion 2 weeks ago to get the inadmissable evidence. Judge has yet to rule on it.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:55 pm to JustSmokin
I think he makes it back, coaches one more year and tells LSU to shove it and moves to a greener pasture with an administration and board that has a spine.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:56 pm to lsutigermall
If he won’t meet with LSU admin now, what changes? I still don’t understand what could/would be discussed that his legal counsel is worried would be troubling for the April trial. It is not like the meeting would have legal bearing or be on the record to the public. If he can’t defend the conversation today, what changes later?
He is certainly losing the court of public opinion right now.
He is certainly losing the court of public opinion right now.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:57 pm to JustSmokin
My apologies. That is good news because the second tape is not going to be admissible even if this case does go to trial. I'm curious as to whether defense counsel and/or media can disclose this information to the NCAA.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:58 pm to beauxroux
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Except we don't know what we don't know. I am hopeful the worst and most incriminating wiretap has been released. If so, the storm can be weathered. If there are more tapes..... I see storms on the horizon.
That's why I said "unless there is more we haven't been told".
But, to be honest, just using common sense, I don't think there is anything more incriminating than what we've heard. Because whoever is leaking this info has a vendetta, and I think that if there were more info on Wade, they'd have it, and would have leaked it already.
I keep hearing that there will be more people implicated in this whole thing, and I believe that. But the reason those coaches haven't had their names leaked probably has something to do with the same bias we've seen playing out against LSU in the media all season. Not just regarding this wire tap.
The FBI, itself, certainly had no reason to leak this. Make no mistake, the college basketball elite has an almost mafia-like influence. More so than in any other "amateur" sport.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:00 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Props on the party poppers 
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:01 pm to lsutigermall
I like your style.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:05 pm to Metaloctopus
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But, to be honest, just using common sense, I don't think there is anything more incriminating than what we've heard. Because whoever is leaking this info has a vendetta
Makes sense. However, if I were the person with the vendetta.... I'd drip... drip.... drip... the information to the media. Drip... before SEC regular season... drip during SEC final (assuming LSU is there).... drip at the start of NCAA tourney and every game. But, I hope you are right.
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