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re: Can we discuss "offer" and "piece of the pie"
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:35 am to More&Les
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:35 am to More&Les
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I don't know what the other team "offered" that tilted it toward "taking care" of the Mom, perhaps you should ask Calipari and he should be suspended out of an abundance of caution...
Good point, but you completely dodged the question. Why was he splitting playing time with the mom?
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:36 am to More&Les
All the focus has been on WW and the discussion of the terms of the “offer”. Has JS made any comments that neither he nor his family received money? Has he been asked to visit with FKing and Joe A?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:47 am to Philippines4LSU
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Prove me wrong.
This is what it comes down to. There are good Tiger fans who say, Screw the NCAA. Prove “offer’ refers to money. In this case everyone in the country would know LSU cheats big time, but it can’t be proved.
There are other good Tiger fans who are of the opinion that we were caught redhanded. Regardless of legal standards there is more than adequate evidence that Wade, himself, cheated. LSU’s reputation - remember, it’s an academic institution first and foremost - would be badly tarnished by this, so we should self-police.
Most of the arguments on here come down to those two points of view. Neither are wrong, necessarily.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:50 am to More&Les
I'd rather not discuss it... again. JHC give this shite a rest for a minute. You're making the same post that 100 before you have made. The "offer" and the "pie" could be anything. We get it man
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:52 am to More&Les
I actually am an attorney.
But yeah what your personal attorney who is representing you as a witness in a federal matter is going to advise you to do and what your employer can ask you to do are two separate things.
I can advise you to say nothing publicly, which is good legal advice as a federal witness.
The employer can ask you to come talk to them about what happened. You can not show up, then the employer is not able to investigate if there is wrongdoing that might put your employer in jeopardy. At that point the employers attorney will advise the employer to suspend you with pay (generally) or put you on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
Both parties are acting in their own best interest. The employee trying to protect himself from a perjury trap. Also if wade says something that is later to be found to be untrue he will be fired with cause at this point by the employer so it may be in wades interest to wait. The employer is trying to protect the university from the NCAA and also its reputation.
Both have rights and the attorneys have the obligation to protect their clients.
Now wade could have chosen to come clean to the employer, which has risks, but if there is nothing to hide or be concerned about then the university would decide if this is a storm they want to weather and stand behind the coach and get his story out. Or wade can stay silent for now, which puts the employer in a tough spot and forces them to make decisions to protect the university as much as they can while protecting the employee which is why he is suspended with pay pending the outcome of the investigation into whether or not rules were broken and he breached his contract.
But yeah what your personal attorney who is representing you as a witness in a federal matter is going to advise you to do and what your employer can ask you to do are two separate things.
I can advise you to say nothing publicly, which is good legal advice as a federal witness.
The employer can ask you to come talk to them about what happened. You can not show up, then the employer is not able to investigate if there is wrongdoing that might put your employer in jeopardy. At that point the employers attorney will advise the employer to suspend you with pay (generally) or put you on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
Both parties are acting in their own best interest. The employee trying to protect himself from a perjury trap. Also if wade says something that is later to be found to be untrue he will be fired with cause at this point by the employer so it may be in wades interest to wait. The employer is trying to protect the university from the NCAA and also its reputation.
Both have rights and the attorneys have the obligation to protect their clients.
Now wade could have chosen to come clean to the employer, which has risks, but if there is nothing to hide or be concerned about then the university would decide if this is a storm they want to weather and stand behind the coach and get his story out. Or wade can stay silent for now, which puts the employer in a tough spot and forces them to make decisions to protect the university as much as they can while protecting the employee which is why he is suspended with pay pending the outcome of the investigation into whether or not rules were broken and he breached his contract.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:56 am to More&Les
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in a court of law...
This is irrelevant. We should only be worried about the NCAA.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:01 am to More&Les
LOL
We’re all in now aren’t we?
We’re all in now aren’t we?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:05 am to More&Les
No it’s not close. The nba minimum for a player with zero years of experience is $815k.
Hopefully in a few years the nba g league becomes minor league like baseball where any good high schooler goes straight to g league for development and the entire institution of NCAA basketball crumbles.
Hopefully in a few years the nba g league becomes minor league like baseball where any good high schooler goes straight to g league for development and the entire institution of NCAA basketball crumbles.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:14 am to More&Les
It gets overlooked that most NCAA athletes are on partial scholarships. Even a top level baseball program like ours has players on 1/2, 1/3, 2/3 deals. I'm sure these "offers" were negotiated verbally over the phone.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:18 am to josh336
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Explain how playing time was tilted toward the mom and son instead of the agent
That’s easy. They offered the mom unrestricted access to practices, team plane to and from games, and the “handler” was not included in that. So he got pissed and wouldn’t tell them what was being offered because he wanted to have that access. So Wade ended up going around him.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:20 am to More&Les
Can't have it both ways. If that is what truly happened then it would be easily explainable to his superiors. The fact that his attorneys didn't want him to talk to them leads me to believe there is more out there. No one wants to believe Wade any more than me. Love the guy and what he has done but I live in Realsville. It is what it is. All of this 'everyone" does it" doesn't cut it. If you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar you may end up paying the price. Not a fan of Alleva and King but in this case the problem is not them. Maybe this can get worked out before start of tournament but unless Wade can actually come forward and say none of this is true, which he hasn't done by the way, I don't see him coaching at LSU again.If he was having to compete against another coach who was also "offering" Smart then I hope he opens that can of worms but he might also be signing his death warrant as far as coaching at a major university again. Sad situation all the way around.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:26 am to ItTakesAThief
With the way this cheap suit wearing administration leaks info ala Les Miles firing, is it any surprise that Wade’s lawyer told him “Don’t say shite to them. They have enough info that we already gave them. You tell them anything and there is no telling who all finds out.”
That’s what I would tell my client.
That’s what I would tell my client.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:33 am to Tigrdynasty
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in a court of law...
This is irrelevant. We should only be worried about the NCAA.
The NCAA isn't investigating and they already know all of this
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:36 am to Run DMC
Well LSU does not want to fire him. If they wanted to fire him they could have fired him once he did not attend the meeting for insubordination. The article and the not showing up was enough for cause.
Will Wade knew when he did not show up for the meeting he would be placed on administrative leave. I am sure his attorney would tell him that and he knows that.
If he had trouble with a player he would call a meeting. If the player showed up and explained himself and will found no problem then the kid stays on the team. If it is public LSU pushes out the story through its media channels to correct the record if it’s not information that is medical or personal as to be protected. If the kid does not show up he either gets suspended or kicked off the team. He understands the process and what would happen when he did not show up.
He also knows that any public statements by him that are not consistent with future testimony under oath can subject him to perjury or at least impeach his testimony. That could result in jail time.
If he gave a credible explanation to Joe and King, I don’t like either one of those guys for the record, then LSU through the advocate and PR dept would push out Wades story to the National Media as a defense. He would be locked into a story when he serves as a witness. If there is any evidence to disprove or even call into question his story, the attorneys will be prepared after months of research to walk him staight into a federal perjury trap.
Wade and the administration are doing the right thing here. At least for now.
Will Wade knew when he did not show up for the meeting he would be placed on administrative leave. I am sure his attorney would tell him that and he knows that.
If he had trouble with a player he would call a meeting. If the player showed up and explained himself and will found no problem then the kid stays on the team. If it is public LSU pushes out the story through its media channels to correct the record if it’s not information that is medical or personal as to be protected. If the kid does not show up he either gets suspended or kicked off the team. He understands the process and what would happen when he did not show up.
He also knows that any public statements by him that are not consistent with future testimony under oath can subject him to perjury or at least impeach his testimony. That could result in jail time.
If he gave a credible explanation to Joe and King, I don’t like either one of those guys for the record, then LSU through the advocate and PR dept would push out Wades story to the National Media as a defense. He would be locked into a story when he serves as a witness. If there is any evidence to disprove or even call into question his story, the attorneys will be prepared after months of research to walk him staight into a federal perjury trap.
Wade and the administration are doing the right thing here. At least for now.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:37 am to SelaTiger
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LOL
We’re all in now aren’t we?
As we should be imho. Everything he listed is plausible, moronic, but plausible. Call it the athletic version of the "Twinkie defense" if you like. Hell, UNC was guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt. What did they do, they changed the parameters defining the circumstances. It too, was a moronic defense, yet...a successful one. As long as Alabama, Ohio State, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas etc. get to claim "affluenza" as their defense...and get away with it, we will continue to be the fall guy. The beautiful thing about Louisiana is the limited number of cucks in our fanbase. It's why the fanbase is pissed, and rightfully so imho. So I say go for it. frick the NCAA and frick F King and Aleva...cucks that they are.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:52 am to jimmy the leg
There’s a lot of delusion up in here.
Will Wade simply got caught talking about things that all top level programs do each recruiting period. Unfortunate but true.
NCAA will absolutely smash the LSU program with penalties. And WW will not be allowed to coach for several years.
We’re not talking about a court of law. We’re talking about an organization that MUST protect the money maker schools like Duke, NC, Alabama, and others.
Will Wade simply got caught talking about things that all top level programs do each recruiting period. Unfortunate but true.
NCAA will absolutely smash the LSU program with penalties. And WW will not be allowed to coach for several years.
We’re not talking about a court of law. We’re talking about an organization that MUST protect the money maker schools like Duke, NC, Alabama, and others.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:59 am to pufftiger
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The fact that his attorneys didn't want him to talk to them leads me to believe there is more out there.
It leads me to believe that you've never spoken to a defense attorney and if you think only guilty people need defense attorneys I direct your attention to the Duke Lacrosse players AND coach or to the 16 yo high school kid from Covington Catholic that's about to own CNN...
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:10 am to More&Les
My best attempt to explain away the quotes from the article is that is "offer" isnt some static, full ride scholarship. It's a comprehensive package of tuition, housing, on campus dining, facilities access, gear, shoes, playing time, position play, scheming for a players skill set, or even running the offense through a player. I'd also imagine things like a campus job for spending money, game passes and team access for family members is part of that. Every school will have a radically different package to offer - some stronger than others. "Piece of the pie" didn't bother me as much since I'm certain playing time is a huge negotiating point with recruits of Smart's caliber.
I think you could indeed explain everything in the article away, but until you've heard the tape in context and know everything they have on you, you run serious risk in this type of denial. This is why i think the suspension was made; to keep Wade from answering for this until the school can get the facts.
Jmo.
I think you could indeed explain everything in the article away, but until you've heard the tape in context and know everything they have on you, you run serious risk in this type of denial. This is why i think the suspension was made; to keep Wade from answering for this until the school can get the facts.
Jmo.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:33 am to More&Les
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NCAA isn't investigating
I agree with the general scope of your op. My point is, the NCAA doesn't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt as in a criminal case. They do their investigation and make a decision. They don't even have to explain how they came to the decision in any detail.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:39 am to reverendotis
Except that in basketball there are no partials, only fulls.
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