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Where do you stand on bartenders being responsible for their patrons?

Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:30 am
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:30 am
Recent case in Houston where 5 bartenders are facing charges for basically over serving. Guy left the bar room and killed a young lady and injuring her child and mother.

I’ve heard other charges of bartenders being arrested for overcharging and thought that was a little much esp in a crowded bar room when they can’t keep up with everyone.

This guy was also 19. Not sure if he had a fake ID. If not, then they are f’ed.

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This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 10:31 am
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4699 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:33 am to
Just from looking at that picture I'd say any bartender should know not to serve that guy anything. But being that he was 19 he also could have had someone buying drinks for him and bringing them back to him.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58382 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:33 am to
I mean they may have over served, but I doubt they threw this guy into his running car and waved bye.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:34 am to
I think they should get a real job
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3824 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:34 am to
It's a shame no one values personal responsibility anymore.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43925 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:35 am to
Personally, I don't see how you charge a bartender with a crime for doing their jobs. It seems like the next step is for people to start suing the place where the person got drunk.

If this is going to continue being the norm then bars are going to have to employ "exit bouncers" that don't let people leave the bar if they're too drunk to drive unless they have a DD or are taking a cab/uber.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
19411 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to
Bartenders are trashy
Posted by YungFO
Dallas
Member since Mar 2018
1046 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to
I may be bias b/c I was bartender back in the day, but people are legally adults at 18. Full grown folks should be responsible for THEIR actions.

If I go out and get super fricked up and drive and kill someone, that's on me. No one else.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70064 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to
It all depends on how visibly wasted he was.
Posted by rowbear1922
Lake Chuck, LA
Member since Oct 2008
15182 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to
It all depends on the type of place where the drinking is happening too. If it's at Fred's after a gameday or a high end restaurant on a Sunday night. If you, as a bartender, can tell someone is over served and about to get behind the wheel, I feel they have an ethical and moral responsibility to ensure the guest gets home safe and alive.

On more than one occasion, I had to call cabs/ubers for guests. Now, I did not pay for them, but it was pretty simple, for where I worked, to tell someone if they get behind the wheel we would call the police.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:37 am to
Poncho's should've known not to serve me after I raised the flag for the 13th time to get more enchiladas. They're also responsible for paying for that toilet I broke.
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
16586 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:38 am to
I blame the parents.
Posted by CockyTime
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
3154 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:38 am to
They should be held partially responsible only if they didn't ID him. I really hate this blaming culture we live in now. Only one dumb arse in this scenario chose to consume those drinks and get behind the wheel and should pay the price for it.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53115 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:39 am to
The people on this board think that if you drank one beer you were over served
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
37889 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:40 am to
My only experience was 15 years ago in LA, but we had to get a liquor license to serve/bartend, so there was a bit of training involved.

If there's something like that in TX, I'd say the bartender could possibly be proven to actually know or should have known (provided he was actually serving the patron directly).

Definitely a slippery slope though. Morally, of course the bartender should try to intervene. I don't agree with legally requiring babysitting of adults.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:42 am to
Terrible idea.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79332 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:44 am to
It's such a gray area IMO.

Why isn't Kroger held responsible for selling a 12 pack to a guy who is who just came in from the club at 12am? Why isn't Budweiser held responsible for making beer that people drink that kill people????! Could go on forever like this.

I'm not a big proponent of charging those people personally, but I understand if they were A party to overserving when they knew he was hammered, then yea.
Posted by Dawgholio
Bugtussle
Member since Oct 2015
13047 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:46 am to
If you are paying and want to drink how is the bartender supposed to estimate your BAC? Everyone needs to be responsible for their own behavior
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:47 am to
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Where do you stand on certain people being responsible for other people's actions?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98319 posts
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:49 am to
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