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Why is it so hard for major movie/tv productions to get the plot believable?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:20 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:20 am
I understand that every piece of fiction can’t have an airtight story, but I am generally stumped when it comes to major productions having big gaps in storylines or characters that make nonsensical decisions just to advance the plot.
One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character, which is just not believable (or even entertaining) in my opinion. Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT. Both of those franchises have plenty of money to throw at good writers. Why did they move forward with such crappy plot lines?
One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character, which is just not believable (or even entertaining) in my opinion. Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT. Both of those franchises have plenty of money to throw at good writers. Why did they move forward with such crappy plot lines?
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:13 am to gorillacoco
The example that always comes to mind for me and will forever irritate the crap out of me is Transcendance.
It had such a cool concept and couldve gone to a super awesome level but they had to totally chicken out and write a completely retarded ending due to an even more retarded conflict in the story.
ugh
It had such a cool concept and couldve gone to a super awesome level but they had to totally chicken out and write a completely retarded ending due to an even more retarded conflict in the story.
ugh
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:05 am to gorillacoco
A camel is a horse by comitee
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:17 am to gorillacoco
Why didn't Frodo and Gandolf fly to Mount Doom on the giant eagles?
Point here is that nearly all stories will have plot holes or at least elements that will be thought of as plot holes.
Point here is that nearly all stories will have plot holes or at least elements that will be thought of as plot holes.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 7:19 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:50 am to gorillacoco
The lack of believability in the Last Jedi was the worst thing about the movie. None of that movie would’ve ever really happened in real life.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to gorillacoco
I watched Law Abiding Citzen last night and it had enough plot holes to drive a bus through but everything else about it is so enjoyable you just ignore it 
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to gorillacoco
Movies are usually about things that are extraordinary, so I'd imagine that it is difficult sometimes to write something that is extraordinary but 100% believable at the same time. However, I agree that sometimes its like they aren't even trying.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:08 am to gorillacoco
Why is there gravity in the 3 dream level in Inception? fricking dumb. I expect better from Christopher Nolan.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:33 am to gorillacoco
TFA wasn’t a great movie but it was decent. And the ending scene where you find Luke was pretty epic. Then he tosses the light saber over his shoulder like it’s a fricking Avengers movie. Can you believe that shite. TLJ ruined what could have been a great story for cheap sophomoric humor that every gay arse movie has to have these days to keep the brain dead idiots entertained.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:05 am to gorillacoco
Sorry you have no imagination
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:14 am to gorillacoco
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Why is it so hard for major movie/tv productions to get the plot believable?
Because, almost by definition, drama, excitement, horror, etc., are not logical operators. Or in short, emotions aren't logical.
So if you are looking to create certain feelings in people, typically you have to operate outside of logic.
Think about any action movie. They revolve completely around the idea of nearly fantastical lucky situations of people surviving multiple moments of death - typically. Even in a kids film when you really watch them. We only get brief feelings of excitement when things get dangerous but the hero escapes.
But the hero must escape, regardless of the logic, because if he dies...there's no movie. So a suspension of disbelief is required to just go with the idea that this teenager - even in a film like Jumanji - just avoided a giant rampaging rhino. Fell off a ledge and avoided getting knocked out, etc.
You wouldn't get excitement if they died, and you wouldn't get excitement if there was no danger.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:16 pm to gorillacoco
I think it’s funny that the two examples you gave were both basically science fiction/fantasy and you’re complaining about believable plots...
You okay with traveling at light speed and dragons, but Luke’s character development is giving you trouble??
You okay with traveling at light speed and dragons, but Luke’s character development is giving you trouble??
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:19 pm to gorillacoco
The only reason to do a remake.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:44 pm to gorillacoco
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One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character
You want a movie about Star Wars to be believable?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:07 pm to gorillacoco
The main reason is that filmmakers have changed from story-tellers to entertainers.
The goal isn't to make a truly great film. It's to get butts in the seats and make money.
There are still a few producers/directors that can make the films that they want, but those are getting fewer and fewer.
The goal isn't to make a truly great film. It's to get butts in the seats and make money.
There are still a few producers/directors that can make the films that they want, but those are getting fewer and fewer.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:47 pm to gorillacoco
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One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character,
This one isn't an example. It's been thirty years since we've seen Luke. A lot can happen in that time and to say he had fallen out of love with the force in that time is possible. It's a shitty scene because it deflates all the build up to that point.
The problem with this scene is that Luke made a map to the location, implying he wants someone to find him, and then is a whiny bitch when someone finally shows up.
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Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT.
I was thinking this one was set up by the fact that a zombie had just tried to kill everyone in King's Landing and they decided to send a party of adventurers to scout it out/prove it.
The problem with the scene is that we have no grasp of the passage of time. They send a runner, who sends a raven to Danny, which traverses half the world, then she flies up with her dragons, all in what appears to be two days worth of time.
That's the point where the plot breaks. It's not the magic or dragons. When these first appear the story has set up before this point that these things are both possible, or have left the door open to those things making a believable appearance. When a raven that has only been established to fly at normal raven speeds hits Mach 9.7 to drive the plot forward, I drop out.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:42 am to gorillacoco
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Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT.
Agree on this. There was so much cool action most people didn't stop and think about how absurd most of it was.
My favorite was Gendry's magical sprint home.
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