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re: The Haunting of Hill House-Netflix
Posted on 10/23/18 at 6:30 pm to hogcard1964
Posted on 10/23/18 at 6:30 pm to hogcard1964
Spoiler
He appeared to have a heart attack. I don’t think he killed himself to be with his wife. This was initial thought as well but he grabbed his chest when he was taking the pill.
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So the father died outside of the red room when he was trying to pop a pill into his mouth? Not sure I follow when he died. ...Or did he die?
He appeared to have a heart attack. I don’t think he killed himself to be with his wife. This was initial thought as well but he grabbed his chest when he was taking the pill.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 6:33 pm
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:21 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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So the father died outside of the red room when he was trying to pop a pill into his mouth? Not sure I follow when he died. ...Or did he die?
He appeared to have a heart attack. I don’t think he killed himself to be with his wife. This was initial thought as well but he grabbed his chest when he was taking the pill.
Initially I thought he killed himself to try and enter the Bedroom abd save his kids.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:24 pm to YNWA
Spoilers....
Riddle need this.
How come Shirley kept seeing her one night stand? I thought the guy was dead or something since they were always seeing ghosts. Unless I missed it he never died but it was just her conscious...?
Riddle need this.
How come Shirley kept seeing her one night stand? I thought the guy was dead or something since they were always seeing ghosts. Unless I missed it he never died but it was just her conscious...?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:18 am to SUG
Just finished the series last night
9 wonderfully brilliant episodes and then 1 meh episode.
I'm actually really surprised the finale was as bad as it was given the other episodes.
That actually sounds harsh. It's not "bad" but I thought there were too many long speeches and the episode was sorta spinning its wheels.
I did like the resolution and how everything tied together
9 wonderfully brilliant episodes and then 1 meh episode.
I'm actually really surprised the finale was as bad as it was given the other episodes.
That actually sounds harsh. It's not "bad" but I thought there were too many long speeches and the episode was sorta spinning its wheels.
I did like the resolution and how everything tied together
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:20 am to YNWA
quote:didn't they say something about the room or the house and ghosts being different things. hopes, dreams, fears, etc.
How come Shirley kept seeing her one night stand? I thought the guy was dead or something since they were always seeing ghosts. Unless I missed it he never died but it was just her conscious...?
So his appearance, while being a "ghost" was more or less Shirley's manifestation of guilt/fear and not his dead spirit.
I could be wrong though
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:30 am to SUG
We're watching this series now. I've had bouts of sleep paralysis and this series is giving me fits. I don't usually get the chills during horror movies/series but I'm freaking out during the sleep paralysis scenes.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 11:09 am to Fewer Kilometers
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We're watching this series now. I've had bouts of sleep paralysis and this series is giving me fits. I don't usually get the chills during horror movies/series but I'm freaking out during the sleep paralysis scenes.
I've had sleep paralysis too. I found the common link, was usually high stress.
I watched that episode last night. Watched 5 & 6 last night and half of 7. 5 may have been the creepiest episode so far. And 6 may have been the best episode. The continuous shooting was great. Acting all around has been fantastic. Such a good show. And freaks me out every episode.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:16 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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He appeared to have a heart attack. I don’t think he killed himself to be with his wife. This was initial thought as well but he grabbed his chest when he was taking the pill.
I don't think so, but it's possible. They show him take 1 pill and seem to recover, then talk to his wife. Later, they show him on the ground with an open pill bottle, like he took a bunch of the pills and OD'd.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:22 pm to SUB
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Later, they show him on the ground with an open pill bottle, like he took a bunch of the pills and OD'd.
This is how took it. When I watched that episode, it came off to me as the dad gladly give his life to the house so his children could live.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:36 pm to SUB
Maybe I missed something. Didn't he and wife walk to the edge of the balcony before it cut away? Was he found at the bottom of the stairs like she was? Where was his body?
I assumed he jumped or she pushed him.
I assumed he jumped or she pushed him.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:07 pm to Slippy
He made a deal with his wife in their conversation.
He dies - presumably from ODing on those pills - and the children get to leave the room.
He and Stephen saw his body on the way out the door, but Stephen didn't tell his sisters yet. The dad was already dead when they loaded Luke in the car.
He dies - presumably from ODing on those pills - and the children get to leave the room.
He and Stephen saw his body on the way out the door, but Stephen didn't tell his sisters yet. The dad was already dead when they loaded Luke in the car.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:10 pm to SUG
I'm up to ep 7. Show is legit.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:06 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Bent-neck Lady
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:55 pm to LSUZombie
Enjoyed the show but it had some issues in my opinion. The child actors were pretty bad overall. The pacing was slow at times. The Matrix style green tinting is an over-used tactic to make a production seem more polished nowadays.
The house as a metaphor for our patriarchal society was interesting and the "red room", or heart of the house, represents the womb which can be a nurturing and fulfilling environment, but can be made toxic when women are only able to be mother and nothing else.
Father represents toxic masculinity for the most part, all though at times the writing waffles on that. While he is capable and protective, his children don't feel love from him because he is focused on fixing things and not understanding them.
Mother is pre-feminist overly concerned with her role as mother and unable to let go of that role when she is no longer needed (her babies are growing independent). She literally cannot think outside this model, thus repeating the mother trope over and over by inserting her "forever home" into the boundaries of the Hill House in a manic attempt to be fulfilled in a system that doesn't value her as a person.
Children represent the different types of people that have developed from this patriarchal model, broken and lost in a world that no longer accepts the either-or type of dichotomy the system is built on. The masculine lesbian unable to be herself. The cheating spouse finding no fulfillment in being the man-of-the-house bread winner (opposite gender role), the father emulator who wants to be like his dad resulting in a duplicitous life where he's neither honest nor a father because modern society doesn't value genuineness, and the twins: the effeminate man and the emotive female (the world isn't ready for their sensitivity).
The mother and father have to die in this context in order for the children to progress into a new world in which the patriarchy and it's proponents/victims have crumbled (the parents and the house).
The theme was a little overbearing especially when the dialog was beating you over the head in its overtness.
The house as a metaphor for our patriarchal society was interesting and the "red room", or heart of the house, represents the womb which can be a nurturing and fulfilling environment, but can be made toxic when women are only able to be mother and nothing else.
Father represents toxic masculinity for the most part, all though at times the writing waffles on that. While he is capable and protective, his children don't feel love from him because he is focused on fixing things and not understanding them.
Mother is pre-feminist overly concerned with her role as mother and unable to let go of that role when she is no longer needed (her babies are growing independent). She literally cannot think outside this model, thus repeating the mother trope over and over by inserting her "forever home" into the boundaries of the Hill House in a manic attempt to be fulfilled in a system that doesn't value her as a person.
Children represent the different types of people that have developed from this patriarchal model, broken and lost in a world that no longer accepts the either-or type of dichotomy the system is built on. The masculine lesbian unable to be herself. The cheating spouse finding no fulfillment in being the man-of-the-house bread winner (opposite gender role), the father emulator who wants to be like his dad resulting in a duplicitous life where he's neither honest nor a father because modern society doesn't value genuineness, and the twins: the effeminate man and the emotive female (the world isn't ready for their sensitivity).
The mother and father have to die in this context in order for the children to progress into a new world in which the patriarchy and it's proponents/victims have crumbled (the parents and the house).
The theme was a little overbearing especially when the dialog was beating you over the head in its overtness.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:58 pm to Slippy
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Maybe I missed something. Didn't he and wife walk to the edge of the balcony before it cut away? Was he found at the bottom of the stairs like she was? Where was his body?
been a while since I saw the episode, but I thought he was in the hallway by the doorway to the stairs, basically where he and the wife were talking.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:32 pm to blackinthesaddle
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The house as a metaphor for our patriarchal society
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Father represents toxic masculinity for the most part
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The theme was a little overbearing
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:38 pm to Pilot Tiger
Rewatch it and see. The house is rotten to the core first discovered in its foundations.
Perfect example of father's issues: son is desperately seeking validation from his father by trying to help, father thinks he's incompetent and sends him away so that he can continue man-stuff without interference.
Character dialog literally spells out their positions on this point, especially in the first 4 episodes. It's overt and heavy-handed.
Perfect example of father's issues: son is desperately seeking validation from his father by trying to help, father thinks he's incompetent and sends him away so that he can continue man-stuff without interference.
Character dialog literally spells out their positions on this point, especially in the first 4 episodes. It's overt and heavy-handed.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:47 pm to blackinthesaddle
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The house as a metaphor for our patriarchal society was interesting and the "red room", or heart of the house, represents the womb which can be a nurturing and fulfilling environment, but can be made toxic when women are only able to be mother and nothing else. Father represents toxic masculinity for the most part, all though at times the writing waffles on that. While he is capable and protective, his children don't feel love from him because he is focused on fixing things and not understanding them. Mother is pre-feminist overly concerned with her role as mother and unable to let go of that role when she is no longer needed (her babies are growing independent). She literally cannot think outside this model, thus repeating the mother trope over and over by inserting her "forever home" into the boundaries of the Hill House in a manic attempt to be fulfilled in a system that doesn't value her as a person. Children represent the different types of people that have developed from this patriarchal model, broken and lost in a world that no longer accepts the either-or type of dichotomy the system is built on. The masculine lesbian unable to be herself. The cheating spouse finding no fulfillment in being the man-of-the-house bread winner (opposite gender role), the father emulator who wants to be like his dad resulting in a duplicitous life where he's neither honest nor a father because modern society doesn't value genuineness, and the twins: the effeminate man and the emotive female (the world isn't ready for their sensitivity). The mother and father have to die in this context in order for the children to progress into a new world in which the patriarchy and it's proponents/victims have crumbled (the parents and the house). The theme was a little overbearing especially when the dialog was beating you over the head in its overtness.
Something makes me think that Shirley Jackson didn't have any of this in mind when she wrote the novel. It was just supposed to be a ghost story about a haunted house, not a social commentary.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:56 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
I'm not familiar with the novel, so I can't comment on what's in it. But, the novel was taken by Netflix and handed to probably a roomful of Harvard, Stanford, and other Ivy League English Lit grads to work into a 10-part series. I imagine that they definitely were aware of the themes they were working around.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:59 pm to blackinthesaddle
I'm on my second play through of this show. I'm not trying to be rude, everyone can see something different in something like this show that is so metaphor laden, but I honestly don't get almost any of that from this story. Most of what you said you would need to make quite a reach for in my opinion.
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