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re: Did Robert Mueller make a huge mistake indicting foreign companies?
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:02 am to CamdenTiger
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:02 am to CamdenTiger
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But he got some headlines about Russia, which might be the pinnacle of this investigation
I remember people were saying it was the 'tip of the iceberg'. Many of "the board."
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:06 am to Gaspergou202
Case doesn't pick back up until July, right?
That's A LOT of news cycles. He got the headline he wanted and the OIG report, and quite a bit else, is due before that...
This isn't a loss until July. While all the points everyone is making are technically correct I don't think it shakes out that way. To much is going to happen before July.
That's A LOT of news cycles. He got the headline he wanted and the OIG report, and quite a bit else, is due before that...
This isn't a loss until July. While all the points everyone is making are technically correct I don't think it shakes out that way. To much is going to happen before July.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
No, it was not a mistake. It tightened the screws on suspected wrongdoers and defendants. It’s doubtful that Mueller’s office has much in the way of useful exculpatory evidence that must be disclosed.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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assuming the worst for the Russians, they're legit freerolling this entire thing. they have 0 risk and tons of potential rewards
Legit might be the first time in history someone danced around the room exclaiming "yes! we got a fedgov indictment!!!"
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:07 am to VOR
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It’s doubtful that Mueller’s office has much in the way of useful exculpatory evidence that must be disclosed.
Likely true. The fact that you don't see how telling that is, though ...
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Waiting for our resident legal experts, Kickadawg and the Garbageman (Juice) to weigh in on this.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It tightened the screws on suspected wrongdoers and defendants.
Going to need you to explain the who and how...
Muller is now claiming these people weren't even "served"...this was a sham, hollow gesture and wasn't intended to do ANYTHING but generate a headline.
I'm willing to admit I'm wrong about this but you're going to need to show me the light.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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may end up forever tarnishing the SC
I'm coming around to this being the whole purpose. Congress will strike down the SC when this is all said and done. However, they will probably replace it with an even more ridiculous process. I guess Sessions is currently laying down tbe foundation for alternative process by pairing Huber with the IG.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:10 am to CamdenTiger
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But he got some headlines about Russia, which might be the pinnacle of this investigation
At the end of the day, Deep State lovers will squeal "he got 23 indictments!" and the corrections will be buried on Page 87 of the NYT.
Sort of a win.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Whew, good and deep thinking! I haven't thought and analyzed all of the facts and procedure deeply enough to help you in any way.
I tip my hat to you for your good work and your good thinking. You are most appreciated when you do this sort of thing for us.
I sure hope that Mueller has made an egregious mistake.
I tip my hat to you for your good work and your good thinking. You are most appreciated when you do this sort of thing for us.
I sure hope that Mueller has made an egregious mistake.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:13 am to VOR
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No, it was not a mistake. It tightened the screws on suspected wrongdoers and defendants. It’s doubtful that Mueller’s office has much in the way of useful exculpatory evidence that must be disclosed.
Please tell me your IRL name so that I don't inadvertently retain you some day.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:18 am to VOR
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It tightened the screws on suspected wrongdoers and defendants.
It didn’t tighten the screws on anybody. If the indictments were to even lead to convictions, who’s going to enforce the penalties?
It got Mueller a desperately needed headline.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:19 am to VOR
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It’s doubtful that Mueller’s office has much in the way of useful exculpatory evidence that must be disclosed.
Exculpatory is irrelevant
Hell they could have an air tight case
They still have to reveal their entire hand to Russia
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It tightened the screws on suspected wrongdoers
How? They're in Russia and even Mueller did not expect them to show
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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hell, once they get delivered the evidence, in Russia, they can share everything with Putin and his cronies.
IMPEACH 45!!!!
If Trump didnt collude with Russia, then Mueller wouldnt have been forced to give all this information to Russia!
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're in Russia and even Mueller did not expect them to show
Is he really trying to back out, making the point HIMSELF that they "weren't served"?
I haven't followed this too closely, but that's awesome if so.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:22 am to BaylorTiger
quote:I agree with much that has been said on this thread, but people need to stop obsessing over July-09. That IS NOT a trial date. The case HAS NOT been set for trial. At this point, July-09 is just a Status Conerence and is more of a non-event than the May-09 arraignment.
Case doesn't pick back up until July, right?
That's A LOT of news cycles. He got the headline he wanted and the OIG report, and quite a bit else, is due before that...
This isn't a loss until July. While all the points everyone is making are technically correct I don't think it shakes out that way. To much is going to happen before July.
In the interim, I suspect that we will be hearing more about the OSC concerns regarding whether Concord is properly before the Court.
SOMEONE is sacrificing a pawn with this appearance, but we do not know WHO is doing so. Sure, it is PROBABLY Yevgeny Prigozhin (an indicted co-defendant), but it COULD be anyone. Anyone who wanted to see Mueller’s files could have wired some rubles to an American lawyer and had them file an answer, claiming to be acting on behalf of Concord.
I am NOT saying that this happened, but it would even have been possible tfor an American interest to do so.. DNC, Soros, Trump ... literally anyone.
Mueller almost MUST address that potential problem, and I suspect that he will do so before releasing even one page of discovery response AND before giving serious thought to dismissal. In fact, I think he will do so prior to the May-16 Status Conference.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:23 am to Gaspergou202
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Option 1) Comply with discovery rules, and display the total BS weakness of your hand
It may not even be weak
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:23 am to VOR
they gonna flip any second now.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:28 am to BaylorTiger
quote:Do you contend that any of the foreign defendants HAVE been served with the Summons?
Muller is now claiming these people weren't even "served
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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hell, once they get delivered the evidence, in Russia, they can share everything with Putin and his cronies.
I just wanted to point out that Putin getting the info is not Mueller's concern. His concern is about letting the info get to the public.
Let's not pretend that Mueller is worried about revealing what we know to a foreign govt. No, his singular concern is about protecting his investigation as a means to attack the president.
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