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Did Robert Mueller make a huge mistake indicting foreign companies?

Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:45 am
so after all the legal angling/arguments this week it's clear that Russia is perfectly fine having the alleged conspirator-companies tried in the US. there are no stakes because they are only legal entities (organized in Russia, iirc). they are so insignificant they're not even sacrificial lambs

so now the company-defendants are entitled to full discovery, which means the DOJ/SC has to provide ALL potential evidence to them. even if the court enacts a gag order, the Defendants are still entitled to review this information. the people involved in these companies are also defendants, and as management of the companies, THEY will be legally entitled to review the evidence

hell, once they get delivered the evidence, in Russia, they can share everything with Putin and his cronies. i don't see a legal mechanism that will allow the defendant due process that won't also permit the information being transmitted to Russia. once it's there, we can't do anything about it

this seems like a huge boondoggle for Meuller. he can't really proceed and take all those risks, but he also would be mocked and criticized for dismissal...and hell then the dismissal opens up an "empty chair" defense that could lead to even more embarrassment

am i missing something?

that worthless PR stunt (indicting foreign nationals and companies that would never appear) may end up forever tarnishing the SC
Posted by tigerfootball10
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:47 am to
Sooner or later you make a mistake when you're a constant fraud
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:48 am to
Hell yeah he did....he wasn't expecting anyone to show up in court

Mueller is Comey 2.0
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:48 am to
"discovery will be fun" - 26 year old barista who is a Reddit certified Federal Court expert
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:48 am to
Better than even odds the case is dismissed.

Mueller is not going to want to comply with discovery.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:48 am to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:50 am to
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Better than even odds the case is dismissed.

that would be an utter shite show
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:50 am to
Can you imagine the outrage if Ken Starr had filled his staff with a bunch of H.W Bush donors?
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:52 am to
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that worthless PR stunt (indicting foreign nationals and companies that would never appear) may end up forever tarnishing the SC


Honest bob is also stupid Bob. Grossly overplayed his hand here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:52 am to
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Hell yeah he did....he wasn't expecting anyone to show up in court

and the entity in court is a company. a piece of paper

assuming the worst for the Russians, they're legit freerolling this entire thing. they have 0 risk and tons of potential rewards
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:52 am to
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Yes. Someone called his bluff.


And based on everything we know, it was a foolish bluff.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:53 am to
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it was a foolish bluff.

a literal negative freeroll for the SC

he can't win and he can lose a bunch from a bunch of different factual runouts
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:56 am to
quote:

quote:
Better than even odds the case is dismissed.

that would be an utter shite show


Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112635 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:56 am to
they must have absolutely been feeling mega pressure to have gone through with this. i wonder if the word in the DOJ was that they'd be cleaned out within the year if they didn't have a Russian/"hacking" indictment on the board.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:57 am to
It is perplexing. Mueller has been at this a long time, this seems like a rookie mistake. You have to think he has final say over any and all indictments.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:57 am to
I just don’t understand the point of even filing the suit. It makes no sense. Just a waste of taxpayer money so bob can feel like he accomplished something
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13496 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:58 am to
Yes it was a huge mistake.

In the pursuit of cheap participation trophies for his wall, he ignorantly grabbed “easy low hanging” fruit.

Now he’s trapped.
Option 1) Comply with discovery rules, and display the total BS weakness of your hand.
Option 2) Drop the case and display your incompetence.

Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:59 am to
quote:

i wonder if the word in the DOJ was that they'd be cleaned out within the year if they didn't have a Russian/"hacking" indictment on the board.


I never thought about the job security and keeping thy own arse out of jail aspect to all of this. Interesting...
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:59 am to
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a literal negative freeroll for the SC


Correct. Even if, best case scenario, the Court finds them guilty, there is no enforcement mechanism.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62439 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:00 am to
But he got some headlines about Russia, which might be the pinnacle of this investigation
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