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re: We will feature a offense that will not be run oriented
Posted on 4/2/18 at 12:28 pm to TigerCliff777
Posted on 4/2/18 at 12:28 pm to TigerCliff777
You run the offense your team is best equipped to succeed with. If your quarterback can’t throw effectively or you receivers can’t catch, you are forced to pass less. If your run game is weak, you rely on it less or alter it.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 12:28 pm to TigerCliff777
The biggest challenge is going to be effectively executing a "hybrid" system. If SE can put it all together and gameplan as well as adjust on the fly it will be successful. There are multiple pitfalls though:
New OC, new position coaches (OL, WR) and schemes pulled from different programs vs the OC's own scheme. We also have new a starting QB, new RBs and new 1,2 WRs. So we have coaches learning a new scheme that they have to teach to new starters that also need to focus on skill development. It may be just too much all at once.
The first scrimmage illustrated that challenge with around 60% of the plays with assignment or execution errors per Moreau. It was after only 4-5 practices and supposedly some was cleaned up by the second scrimmage. With Miami and Auburn in our first 3 games there will be no time to clean up once the season starts.
New OC, new position coaches (OL, WR) and schemes pulled from different programs vs the OC's own scheme. We also have new a starting QB, new RBs and new 1,2 WRs. So we have coaches learning a new scheme that they have to teach to new starters that also need to focus on skill development. It may be just too much all at once.
The first scrimmage illustrated that challenge with around 60% of the plays with assignment or execution errors per Moreau. It was after only 4-5 practices and supposedly some was cleaned up by the second scrimmage. With Miami and Auburn in our first 3 games there will be no time to clean up once the season starts.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 1:32 pm to LSU Groupee
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I don't think O is an idiot.
When Ole Miss played Wake Forest in 2006 the game was stopped for a lightning delay. Orgeron put the Rebels through a full-contact scrimmage, exhausting the team. When the game resumed Wake Forest ran the ball 53 of 58 plays and beat the Rebels 27-3.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 1:38 pm to BilltheTiger
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This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 1:52 pm to boxcar willie
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Brosette has disappointed, though I hope he can pull it together. We've seen none of Curry and little of CEH so I don't know how you could know how good they are.
How can you say Nick has been disappointing, when he played behind (2) 1st first rounders and a potential 2-3 rounder??
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:21 pm to Air_Raid7
Darrel Williams is not a 3rd rounder, probably closer to 5th.
And people forget Brossette was supposed to be better than Williams. Last year he barely got any run. So he's either not as good as advertised or Orgeron's mismanaging the RB rotation. I'm perfectly willing to believe the latter.
And people forget Brossette was supposed to be better than Williams. Last year he barely got any run. So he's either not as good as advertised or Orgeron's mismanaging the RB rotation. I'm perfectly willing to believe the latter.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:22 pm to Air_Raid7
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How can you say Nick has been disappointing, when he played behind (2) 1st first rounders and a potential 2-3 rounder??
Why didn't he get any playing time when those guys were hurt though? That's my question.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:23 pm to LSU Groupee
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As I remember, LSU passed more on first down in 2013 than we did on second or third.
by numbers but not by percentage. You have more 1st downs in a game than 2nd downs, and more 2nd downs than 3rd downs.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:26 pm to Goldrush25
quote:exactly coming out of high school brosette was thought to be a beast and would easily take Williams carries. But Williams worked his arse off and brosette hasn’t been impressive in his opportunities I hope brosette breaks out but I’m not holding my breath
And people forget Brossette was supposed to be better than Williams. Last year he barely got any run. So he's either not as good as advertised or Orgeron's mismanaging the RB rotation. I'm perfectly willing to believe the latter.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:32 pm to TigerLunatik
You rarely see a team rotating three running backs without taking reps from someone. LSU had two running backs mentioned for the Heisman in the last three years, so was he suppose to take reps from?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:35 pm to Air_Raid7
So, last year when Guice was hurt, how come Brossette wasn't able to get carries is what I'm wondering. He should have been the #2 RB then.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:40 pm to Air_Raid7
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You rarely see a team rotating three running backs without taking reps from someone. LSU had two running backs mentioned for the Heisman in the last three years, so was he suppose to take reps from?
It's the catch 22 with Brosette. When he has run, he's had a couple mistakes, but also some decent carries. The sample size has been too small though to really look with any real insight.
On the flip side, let's keep in mind going into this season Guice battled injuries throughout the entire season and Williams was not considered to be near as good as he turned out to be after 3 mediocre years. Yet, Brosette still didn't carry it much this past season, and pretty much disappeared entirely after that early season troy game fumble where he only ever appeared for a few carries in the A&M blowout thereafter.
I think there was a reason they were hiding him so much, but also, still tough to judge the kid right now with such limited opportunity. If you asked anyone before last season Williams would have a good year, they would have laughed you off and pointed to his first 3 years being ho-hum. Brosette has been very quiet, and I hope he has a breakout year, but him basically getting no carries last year after that Troy game is a bit concerning. It certainly tells me they think he is nowhere close to as good as an injured Guice and revived Williams...otherwise, he would have gotten a few more carries that season after the Troy game and not just when we were clownstomping A&M.
We essentially didn't have a 3rd RB last year, just played 2 guys. Which I cant remember the last time we did that. Usually the 3rd RB has at least 50 carries here over a season, Brosette had 19.
Now another argument is the WR jet sweeps took away carries from Brosette too, which I could see.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:42 pm to TigerLunatik
Because Canada was running his Jet Sweeps with receivers.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:48 pm to Air_Raid7
That's a good point. My only concern would be that they ran more with the WRs because the didn't trust Brosette. Williams still got carries when Guice was playing.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:55 pm to TigerCliff777
O has no clues running an offense. I don't believe it until I see it.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 3:42 pm to justice
Feel free to hold your breath.
Nobody would care.
Nobody would care.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 4:01 pm to geauxtigers33
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Do some of you not know that we can still be a run oriented team and also modernize the offense? I don’t want LSU to get away from running the ball against teams. I just want them to do it in a way that a lot of teams are doing it today. Ohio State, Auburn, Oregon, Bama are all teams that are modern offense run first teams.
I don't see how people don't understand this. Being a running first type offense isn't the where the problem lies. LSU has not had an effective passing attack to supplement that running game is where most of us have issues.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 4:24 pm to justice
shite the one time Brossette got in the game we lost to Troy and coach blunder didnt even know who his starter was and stated he would never have started him...
Posted on 4/2/18 at 4:52 pm to boxcar willie
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by numbers but not by percentage.
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It's ok to be wrong.
The main point is, the BS that we always waited to third down to pass was more board BS.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 5:02 pm to TigerCliff777
Its not IF you throw, its WHEN you throw. If we can't complete a 3rd and 4 slant against BAMA, when we have to, we'll never beat them, or any good SEC team with superior defensive talent. You either have a short passing game, or you have NO passing game. Today, we have no passing game.
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