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re: Tom Brady is the most overrated NFL player of all time.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:11 am to htran90
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:11 am to htran90
quote:and ya know.. one guy had the greatest reciever of all time to throw to and a coach who literally invented a mew offense that changed the game of football that everyone in the world adopted, but whatevs
I think he's slightly overrated when we're talking "GOAT". He's definitely not better than Montana.
Its no different than Jordan vs LeBron
"But at least he got there". I know Brady has 5 to montana's 4, but seriously...
Montana is Jordan
Brady is LeBron
Montana's SB Stats:
83 completions, 122 attempts, 68.03 completion%, 1142 yards, 9.36 YPA, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 127.8 Passer Rating, 4-0
Per game: 20.75 completions, 30.5 attempts, 285.5 YPG, 2.75 TDs
Brady's SB Stats:
207 completions, 309 attempts, 67.00 completion%, 2071 yards, 6.7 YPA 15 TDs, 5 INTs, 95.3 Rating, 5-2
Per game: 29.57 completions, 44.14 attempts, 295.9 YPG, 2.14 TDs, 0.71 INTs
That's in a passing era vs Montana's era that didn't tilt towards the offense. Also 6.7 YPA is literally bottom 10 while 9.36 goes into MVP category.
Personally this is how I view it, if you're saying in 2000 you can have your pick of any QB in this era to start...you'd pick Manning before Brady.
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:13 am to Indfanfromcol
quote:Oh really? Lets look at time of possession rankings then shall we?
but unfortunately their system leaves the defense on the field with high passing and quick scoring/Drew Brees pick 6.
So, Brees actually holds the ball longer than Brady, and keeps his defense off the field more
Why dont you admit you dont know shite........
Bottom line, if Brady and Brees switched teams, they would both still be elite QBa, but Brees would have the rings and Brady would be left with an average defense ranking in the 20s, instead of top 10
Average scoring defense ranking of the players
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:16 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
Why isn't everyone running the Pats "system?
Maybe because after almost 20 years of the pats system, 31 other teams' owners, GMs, and coaches are too stupid to implement it themselves. They all need to hire the OP to show them how its done.
Here's to Brady and the cut-off sweatshirt man winning yet another one!
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:17 am to Tigerfan53
I wonder why they keep paying him, then? Why not just bring in a young QB every few years so that they don't have to pay veteran QBs like Brady?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:25 am to Winston Cup
What exactly is the “system”?
Because Brady wasn’t always in the gun.
Because Brady wasn’t always in the gun.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:28 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Exactly, the just traded Jimmy G another system QB whose much younger.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:32 am to Chuker
quote:
Why isn't everyone running the Pats "system?
quote:
Maybe because after almost 20 years of the pats system, 31 other teams' owners, GMs, and coaches are too stupid to implement it themselves. They all need to hire the OP to show them how its done.
Will Cain made a great point on his radio show that simplicity and getting out of one's individual way are one of the hardest things to accomplish if you're any team but New England, it really boils down to just being smart and aware
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:35 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:It boils down to them being the only team that has been able to field a consistent top 10 defense while having an elite QB. People are over complicating this.
Will Cain made a great point on his radio show that simplicity and getting out of one's individual way are one of the hardest things to accomplish if you're any team but New England, it really boils down to just being smart and aware
Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers would all win a shite ton of rings with top 10 defenses every year
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:46 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Yea, we can ignore the OP, just a troll attempt.
2nd, yes, he's overrated a tiny bit
But it can be both. He can be overrated, I think he is. But he can also still be on the very, very shortlist to argue as GOAT QBs.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:49 am to htran90
quote:The problem with this is these 2 dudes have played, what, 500 games combined, maybe 600. But the comparison is coming down to a total of 11 games.
Montana's SB Stats:
83 completions, 122 attempts, 68.03 completion%, 1142 yards, 9.36 YPA, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 127.8 Passer Rating, 4-0
Per game: 20.75 completions, 30.5 attempts, 285.5 YPG, 2.75 TDs
Brady's SB Stats:
207 completions, 309 attempts, 67.00 completion%, 2071 yards, 6.7 YPA 15 TDs, 5 INTs, 95.3 Rating, 5-2
Per game: 29.57 completions, 44.14 attempts, 295.9 YPG, 2.14 TDs, 0.71 INTs
That's in a passing era vs Montana's era that didn't tilt towards the offense. Also 6.7 YPA is literally bottom 10 while 9.36 goes into MVP category.
Not a fan of comparing who is better that way.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:50 am to Indfanfromcol
quote:Not sure you could have made more incorrect statements in 1 short post.
If anyone is the poster boy for system qb, it’s Drew Brees. Over 5k the past 4 years and with 3 losing season. Payton has developed Drew Brees into a system qb, but unfortunately their system leaves the defense on the field with high passing and quick scoring/Drew Brees pick 6.
Ouch.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:51 am to shel311
quote:See my rebuttal that shows Brees offense actually has a better TOP than Brady.....
Not sure you could have made more incorrect statements in 1 short post.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:52 am to lsupride87
I get so giddy every time i see those Pride Excel sheets!!!
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:54 am to shel311
quote:I dont understand how there is still an argument on why Brady wins more than the other 3
I get so giddy every time i see those Pride Excel sheets!!!
All of their offensive metrics are identical, then Brady has an average defense ranking of 7, while the other 3 are 14, 15, and 20
This shouldnt be hard to figure out people
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:59 am to OU812
Motherfricker, did I stutter? SONIC. NOW.
Anyway, that was Jimmy Johnson's whole philosophy - dominate the line of scrimmage. Obviously it worked and Emmit was the beneficiary, but let's not pretend he was the best just because of yardage.
If you don't think those were great o-lines, you weren't watching.
Anyway, that was Jimmy Johnson's whole philosophy - dominate the line of scrimmage. Obviously it worked and Emmit was the beneficiary, but let's not pretend he was the best just because of yardage.
If you don't think those were great o-lines, you weren't watching.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:07 am to Pankins
quote:
Anyway, that was Jimmy Johnson's whole philosophy - dominate the line of scrimmage. Obviously it worked and Emmit was the beneficiary, but let's not pretend he was the best just because of yardage.
If you don't think those were great o-lines, you weren't watching.
Those Cowboys teams of the early-mid-90s were great TEAMS IN GENERAL, great quarterback, great receiving corps, great fullback, great running back, great offensive line, criminally underrated defenses that kept opponents off the scoreboard, just gotta give credit when due yo.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
quote:I mean, Brees is better in the playoffs than Brady by a very wide margin, like not even debatable that Brees is a better playoff performer.
I dont understand how there is still an argument on why Brady wins more than the other 3
All of their offensive metrics are identical, then Brady has an average defense ranking of 7, while the other 3 are 14, 15, and 20
This shouldnt be hard to figure out people
But Brees is 13-13 for his career and Brady 26-9 in the playoffs. At some point, those lightbulbs should be going off. Playing considerably worse in the playoffs doesn't magically win more games.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:25 am to shel311
Brady is only overrated in the sense the other ridiculous HOF QBs like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers would have had similar winning success under Belichik on the Patriots. Brady is still one of the best QBs of all-time though without all the rings.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:43 am to Pankins
Nate Newton. Mark Tuinei. Kevin Gogan. Mark Stepnoski. 4 of the more constant linemen on the 90’s Cowboys.
Those SAME exact offensive lineman got Troy Aikman almost killed his rookie season.
They gave up 11 sacks on thanksgiving to Philadelphia.
They went 1-15 in 1989.
24th in rushing yards. 27th in total offense. That’d be the 2nd to worst offense in the NFL cause there were only 28 teams in 1989.
Emmitt Smith was drafted in 1990
Those SAME exact offensive lineman got Troy Aikman almost killed his rookie season.
They gave up 11 sacks on thanksgiving to Philadelphia.
They went 1-15 in 1989.
24th in rushing yards. 27th in total offense. That’d be the 2nd to worst offense in the NFL cause there were only 28 teams in 1989.
Emmitt Smith was drafted in 1990
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:47 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:Bingo. That's why I said it can be both. He can be overrated and still one of the best ever.
Brady is only overrated in the sense the other ridiculous HOF QBs like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers would have had similar winning success under Belichik on the Patriots. Brady is still one of the best QBs of all-time though without all the rings.
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