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re: Tom Brady is the most overrated NFL player of all time.

Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:20 pm to
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I'm pretty sure the offenses produced very similar results

Regardless, he is saying cassel did 5 games worse than Brady the year before.


Well, with his logic, Brady still did 1 game worse in 2009 than Cassel did in 2008
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:22 pm to
Brady has five rings... he was pretty clutch in the ones he won, but they have only won one by more than three points... and that was last year... in overtime.... winning is winning I guess.... as far as him bring overrated????? That's crap.....
Posted by TigerBait201
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:24 pm to
Yeah, I couldn't disagree with the OP more. He's one of the greatest.
Posted by duck51
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:26 pm to
and so is Drew Brees
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:29 pm to
No Bree's is not..... he has never had a pro bowl WR until this year..... he basically kept the Saints afloat the last three years up until this year....
Posted by High C
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:35 pm to
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but they have only won one by more than three points..


Super Bowls are hard
Posted by Pankins
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:36 pm to
I notice you didn't respond to the points I made in response to your post. Don't be cherry-picking arguments, homey. Just admit you're wrong about Emmitt and we can all go home without further internet bloodshed.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:37 pm to
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Super Bowls are hard
Especially when your defense sucks
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:00 pm to
What points did I miss?

You mentioned pro bowls. I responded by telling you none of those players made a pro bowl before Emmitt was drafted. Do you have any guesses as to why that is?

Also in 1993 Emmitt held out the first two games of the season. So why didn’t Derrick Lassic or any other RB do the same as Emmitt?
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:02 pm to
Also what does a story (the one you linked) about the 2002 Dallas cowboy offensive line have to do with anything?
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
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Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:18 pm to
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What points did I miss?

You mentioned pro bowls. I responded by telling you none of those players made a pro bowl before Emmitt was drafted. Do you have any guesses as to why that is?



Norv Turner and that blocking scheme he instituted with that line and Moose and Emmitt as the feature back was dynamite, it was the perfect synergy that propelled that offensive unit to legendary championship greatness and translated to Emmitt's record-breaking stats. To me, it was an approach that probably would've only worked with a back of Emmitt's skillset and attributes within that team, JJ essentially drafted this generation's Emmitt Smith when he drafted Zeke with that motive in mind. The resemblance of Zeke's approach to running the football relative to Emmitt's is scary accurate and correlates to consistency in performance and toughness.
Posted by Pankins
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:21 pm to
If you think Emmitt Smith dragged his linemen to 24 Pro Bowls, and his TE/FB to 6 of them, I don't know what to tell you.

The article explain's Jimmy Johnson's hard on for having the biggest line the world had ever seen, which is basically my whole point (along with the other players like Aikman and Irvin who greatly helped make his record possible).

Regarding the other back, I'm not saying Emmitt was garbage, or even that he was on par with his backup, just that he is nowhere near the GOAT RB,and more over-rated than Brady.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:27 pm to
Nice Turner certainly should get some credit for changing his scheme to fit the players he had to work with. It won 2 Super Bowls while he was in dallas from 1991-1993.

But even after he left, Emmitt never slowed down. He became the first player in NFL history with 11 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons and the first to post 11 1,000-yard rushing seasons in a career
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:30 pm to
Explain why they never made a pro bowl before Emmitt Smith was drafted

Also your article you keep referring to only has a one line soundbite that basically just says yea Jimmy Johnson thought big guys on the offensive line is the way to go
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:30 pm to
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Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since HS and nearly took them to the playoffs.



With virtually the same team Brady took to 16-0 the year before.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:33 pm to
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With virtually the same team Brady took to 16-0 the year before.

And Brady went 10-6 with virtually the same team Cassel went 11-5 the year before...........................................
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:34 pm to
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And Brady went 10-6 with virtually the same team Cassel went 11-5 the year before


Might want to check that again. You will see that the '09 New England defense looked somewhat different when compared to the '07 and '08 New England defense. They did not have Teddy Bruschi, Richard Seymour, or Rodney Harrison.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Tigerfan53
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:49 pm to
Brady knows he sucks too that’s why he always takes a pay cut
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:52 pm to
09 pats was the worst team of the Brady-Belicheck era. Plus Brady was shaky as hell in the pocket after his ACL tear the previous year
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