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re: Tom Brady is the most overrated NFL player of all time.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
This is fricking ridiculous.
Bill Belichick took over a Browns team that went 3-13 in 1990.
He became coach in 1991. They went 6-10, 7-9, 7-9 until finally breaking through in 1994 by benching Kosar who just didn’t have it anymore for Testaverde. They went 11-5 in 1994.
Remember this was not the NFL you watch today. Teams didn’t go 3-13 one year and go to the super bowl the next. You had to actually build a team through good drafting and trades. Teams weren’t bought until the 49ers manipulated the salary cap in 94 and showed how it was done.
The Browns were on the rise until Art Modell decided to move the team in 1995 mid season and basically left just the players and coaches behind in Cleveland.
Bill Belichick took over a Browns team that went 3-13 in 1990.
He became coach in 1991. They went 6-10, 7-9, 7-9 until finally breaking through in 1994 by benching Kosar who just didn’t have it anymore for Testaverde. They went 11-5 in 1994.
Remember this was not the NFL you watch today. Teams didn’t go 3-13 one year and go to the super bowl the next. You had to actually build a team through good drafting and trades. Teams weren’t bought until the 49ers manipulated the salary cap in 94 and showed how it was done.
The Browns were on the rise until Art Modell decided to move the team in 1995 mid season and basically left just the players and coaches behind in Cleveland.
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:22 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
You're right, Emmitt totally made that o-line. That's why they only had 24 Pro Bowls between them while he was there, and Daryl Johnston and Jay Novacek only combined for 6 Pro Bowls in that span. Because Emmitt.
Jimmy Johnson made it a point to have by far the biggest line across the board. They were enormous at that time: LINK
Yes, this is the hill I will die on. Emmitt's legacy is a sham.
Jimmy Johnson made it a point to have by far the biggest line across the board. They were enormous at that time: LINK
Yes, this is the hill I will die on. Emmitt's legacy is a sham.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:28 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Fair enough, and I'm not saying he wasn't really, really good. Just that he is vastly over-rated.
Many, including himself, think he's the best RB ever. He ran a 4.7 40 at the combine.
Many, including himself, think he's the best RB ever. He ran a 4.7 40 at the combine.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:30 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
quote:
Remember this was not the NFL you watch today. Teams didn’t go 3-13 one year and go to the super bowl the next
Niners went 2-14, 6-10 and then Super Bowl champs under Bill Walsh.
Seahawks went from 5-11 to 7-9, 11-5 13-3 and Super Bowl Champs under Pete Carroll.
Stop sucking BB's dick.
Brady has had a tremendous amount to do with BB's succees. BB isn't winning nail-biter after nail-biter Super Bowls with a not all-time great QB.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:43 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The point was it took teams a couple of years to turn it around.
Your examples are the Bill Walsh 49ers and the Seahawks under Pete Carrol.
It took Bill Walsh, one of the greatest football coaches of all time 3 seasons to turn it around. Not one season. They didn’t go 2-14 and then win the super bowl. It took a couple of years. That’s my point.
As far as the Seahawks go, you just look stupid. Because I clearly said back then (meaning pre salary cap era NFL) teams didn’t transform over night. Pete Carrol has only coached the Seahawks in this current modern era.
But it even took the Seahawks three seasons to turn it around also. As you pointed out
Your examples are the Bill Walsh 49ers and the Seahawks under Pete Carrol.
It took Bill Walsh, one of the greatest football coaches of all time 3 seasons to turn it around. Not one season. They didn’t go 2-14 and then win the super bowl. It took a couple of years. That’s my point.
As far as the Seahawks go, you just look stupid. Because I clearly said back then (meaning pre salary cap era NFL) teams didn’t transform over night. Pete Carrol has only coached the Seahawks in this current modern era.
But it even took the Seahawks three seasons to turn it around also. As you pointed out
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:49 pm to Pankins
And how many pro bowls did those same linemen make before Emmitt Smith was drafted? How many?
Nate Newton. A USFL washout and was CUT by the Redskins.
Mark Tuinei. A converted DT
Kevin Gogan. On the way to being an overweight bust
Mark Stepnoski. Too small to play offensive line.
These guys were shite before Dallas drafted Emmitt. Absolute shite.
Tell me why they couldn’t block worth a damn for Hershel Walker? But suddenly became pro bowlers blocking for Emmitt?
Nate Newton. A USFL washout and was CUT by the Redskins.
Mark Tuinei. A converted DT
Kevin Gogan. On the way to being an overweight bust
Mark Stepnoski. Too small to play offensive line.
These guys were shite before Dallas drafted Emmitt. Absolute shite.
Tell me why they couldn’t block worth a damn for Hershel Walker? But suddenly became pro bowlers blocking for Emmitt?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:51 pm to Pankins
What does 40 times have to do with how good of a football player somebody is?
Jerry Rice ran a 4.8 40 at the combine. So the frick what? He’s the best WR to ever play
Jerry Rice ran a 4.8 40 at the combine. So the frick what? He’s the best WR to ever play
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:52 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:cheating
I'd like someone to tell me what system Brady is in
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:56 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
cheating
On Giselle? Nah fam they have a healthy relationship
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:57 pm to Tigerfan53
What system? Different OCs throughout the years and he still produced. Belichek is a defensive coach so you can't say his system.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:57 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:59 pm to nextmanup
quote:And that is why Brady has more rings than the other elite QBs
Belichek is a defensive coach so you can't say his system.
Brady's average scoring defense ranking is 7
Manning 14
Rodgers 15
Brees 20
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:07 pm to lsupride87
hmm ...
brady is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
emmitt smith is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
montana is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
bb is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
brady is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
emmitt smith is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
montana is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
bb is overrated and not worthy of discussion as the goat ...
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:08 pm to tiderider
Brady is not overrated
Using rings though is stupid
BB is not overrated
Montana is not overrated
Emmit Smith is slightly overrated
Using rings though is stupid
BB is not overrated
Montana is not overrated
Emmit Smith is slightly overrated
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
Bill Belichick is the GOAT football coach.
He’s been a part of 10 Super Bowls. 7 as a head coach.
He was defensive coordinator for both of Parcells SB wins for the NYG. His defensive game plan for SB XXV is in the Hall of Fame.
Remember when GB beat NE in the super bowl in 1996? Wanna guess who the Dc was for NE? His one and only season as DC in NE? That’s right. Bill Belichick
His record as a head coach speaks for itself
He’s been a part of 10 Super Bowls. 7 as a head coach.
He was defensive coordinator for both of Parcells SB wins for the NYG. His defensive game plan for SB XXV is in the Hall of Fame.
Remember when GB beat NE in the super bowl in 1996? Wanna guess who the Dc was for NE? His one and only season as DC in NE? That’s right. Bill Belichick
His record as a head coach speaks for itself
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:11 pm to Tigerfan53
Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since HS and nearly took them to the playoffs.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:13 pm to Marciano1
quote:It sucks "they didnt make the playoffs" that year so people can make the season sound like it wasnt as good as it was.
Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since HS and nearly took them to the playoffs.
They were 11-5........
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
So they lost 5 more games than the year before. If the Pats had gone from 11-5 to 6-10, nobody would have blinked an eye.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:18 pm to Jcorye1
quote:And they won 1 more game than Bradys team the year after......
So they lost 5 more games than the year before
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:19 pm to Jcorye1
I'm pretty sure the offenses produced very similar results
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