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re: New Louisiana law aims to get taxes owed by online shoppers
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:12 am to HDG
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:12 am to HDG
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Any idea of who these bigger sites are? Amazon and overstock are obvious but who else?
Got a letter from Crutchfield Saturday. They were specific in what they are providing to the state. My name, billable address, delivery address, item purchased and purchase price are all being sent to LDR.
quote:I would hope so.
Shouldn’t we be able to have access to the list of online retailers they say they have already notified about this?
Oh and Bump.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:48 am to Will Cover
So I bought a gift card for my wife in Louisiana. She uses it in Mississippi. She is taxed in MS. How does that work?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:58 am to Bamadiver
How far back are they going with this? I haven't bought anything in Louisiana in 8 years.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:02 am to el Gaucho
You know a local business that sells flamethrowers?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:05 am to Bamadiver
I got one from Crutchfield too. Still trying to figure out what to do
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:07 am to Bamadiver
What a money hunt we’ve got here in LA.
We have the most nazi State in the country with more enforcement power granted to departments by our leadership bent on beating every nickel out of its citizens.
This regime needs to be tarred and feathered.
We have the most nazi State in the country with more enforcement power granted to departments by our leadership bent on beating every nickel out of its citizens.
This regime needs to be tarred and feathered.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:08 am to el Gaucho
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If you don't want the government to steal your money STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:29 am to LeMarteau
Alright, I will try to clear this up for you guys. What this is is called use or consumption tax. Sales taxes are destination based taxes so the end user is responsible for the tax at it's end destination. For sales tax there is a concept referred to as Nexus; an entity must have substantial physical presence to be forced to collect tax. Obviously online retailers don't have this so state created the use tax years and years ago. It's to "compensate" for the avoidance of sales tax. It's nothing new and yes you technically do owe it, though collection is somewhere about 2% for individuals.
To answer a couple of questions I saw in the thread. If you buy something in another state and pay sales tax on it the, no, you do not owe use tax. If you bought it tax free then you would owe the tax. You only pay tax one time where the item is deemed to be "used."
As for Amazon, this law is tricky and many states are doing it. As for the poster that said what if someone orders on my accpunt, who's responsible for the tax? That's a good question that companies are using. That and the expensive administrative burden that these companies that are required to even collect tax are going to have. Pretty much the State forced Amazon to do this or they were going to sue them so it would have been more expensive and tiresome than just mailing these letters. Don't feel like it's La's general incompetence though because quite a few states have done the same exact thing.
I'm on mobile so this post probably isn't the best, but I'm happy to answer any questions anyone may have and will give my email if anyone wants to get more info.
To answer a couple of questions I saw in the thread. If you buy something in another state and pay sales tax on it the, no, you do not owe use tax. If you bought it tax free then you would owe the tax. You only pay tax one time where the item is deemed to be "used."
As for Amazon, this law is tricky and many states are doing it. As for the poster that said what if someone orders on my accpunt, who's responsible for the tax? That's a good question that companies are using. That and the expensive administrative burden that these companies that are required to even collect tax are going to have. Pretty much the State forced Amazon to do this or they were going to sue them so it would have been more expensive and tiresome than just mailing these letters. Don't feel like it's La's general incompetence though because quite a few states have done the same exact thing.
I'm on mobile so this post probably isn't the best, but I'm happy to answer any questions anyone may have and will give my email if anyone wants to get more info.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:00 am to Will Cover
They would tax oxygen if they could and still build no bridges or loops
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:02 am to Bullfrog
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We have the most nazi State in the country with more enforcement power granted to departments by our leadership bent on beating every nickel out of its citizens.
John Fail Edwards won't be satisfied until he gets our entire check and gives us allowances for food and shelter.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:31 am to el Gaucho
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When you don't support local businesses you hurt your community
Well I actually buy stuff online from Best buy because I don't want to deal with fighting traffic after work to go to the mall.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:39 am to Bourre
quote:I'm betting that the state will pursue the big dogs this year, but at the end of the day they have my name, address and purchase info. If there is a large enough discrepancy on my taxes vs the reports the state is able to obtain they'll audit. At that point my credit card statements would confirm the purchases.
I got one from Crutchfield too. Still trying to figure out what to do
I'm betting people will start cash purchasing visa cards and creating false ids if they aren't already doing so. Bob Dobalina about to make YUGE online purchases.
Edit: I've already prepared my LA taxes, but have decided to hold off filing until the last moment. I want to see how many retailers provide reports to me. So far I have Newegg and Crutchfield.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:57 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Don't feel like it's La's general incompetence though because quite a few states have done the same exact thing.
So "general incompetence" from out of state politicians legitimises "general incompetence" from our own.
I wouldn't call it "incompetence", however.
If there's one thing our politicians are competent at, is sucking money from the working class.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:30 am to 2tigergo
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So "general incompetence" from out of state politicians legitimises "general incompetence" from our own.
What I'm saying is don't misconstrue this as a Louisiana thing. Every state that has sales tax has a use tax as well, and a lot of them have enacted or tried to enact the same of similar law.
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If there's one thing our politicians are competent at, is sucking money from the working class
I agree with you, bit this isn't an example of that. Use tax has been on the books for almost 30 years, and every state has the same exact law.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:39 am to Bamadiver
quote:Serious question: How would that work? For instance, I buy cigars online from North Carolina. Because my wife is a Baptist, I have them sent to a buddy’s house. Because I don’t want my actual name on the items, I ship them to his address under an assumed name. All of that, but because of the nature product (tobacco), they DO have my actual name/address on file. Are they now going to mail me a statement of my purchases? How much detail will they include?
Bob Dobalina about to make YUGE online purchases.
What if I bought something in 2017 to give my wife for her birthday in 2018? I can remember my parents prebuying gifts for each other via LLBean and Eddie Bauer catalog mail order back in the day. They’d just have the item shipped to a friend’s house. Will the State of LA now ruin the surprise?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 11:00 am to FCP
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Serious question: How would that work? For instance, I buy cigars online from North Carolina. Because my wife is a Baptist, I have them sent to a buddy’s house. Because I don’t want my actual name on the items, I ship them to his address under an assumed name. All of that, but because of the nature product (tobacco), they DO have my actual name/address on file. Are they now going to mail me a statement of my purchases? How much detail will they include?
The answer is you would owe the use tax because you are the end user of the product. Now how the state gets to that answer is the problem. They are trying to do that in part with this law, but that is a huge flaw in it. No one really knows how all this is going to shake out as it's all new and changing, but in all likelihood you won't be affected from buying a couple hundred bucks a year worth of stuff online.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What I'm saying is don't misconstrue this as a Louisiana thing.
So "general incompetence" from out of state politicians legitimises "general incompetence" from our own.
...infers that some other states apply similar tactics.
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Use tax has been on the books for almost 30 years, and every state has the same exact law.
As you implied in an earlier statement, not every state has a sales & use tax - there are five that do not. It's important that distinction is always noted.
Also, rates & implementation do differ in other states.
salestaxinstitute.com
If we cherry pick each states tax implementations to justify our own, as JBE tries to do, we will easily become the highest taxed state in the union with nothing to show for it.
If this "use" tax currently has historically less than 2% participation as some sources suggest, then a sudden rigorous enforcement of the law still amounts to a tax increase to most citizens of the state, regardless of when the law went into effect.
Most citizens would find some of these taxes more palatable, if the same innovative and aggressive manor was used to curtail wasteful spending as is used to collect taxes.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:47 pm to 2tigergo
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If we cherry pick each states tax implementations to justify our own, as JBE tries to do, we will easily become the highest taxed state in the union with nothing to show for it.
If this "use" tax currently has historically less than 2% participation as some sources suggest, then a sudden rigorous enforcement of the law still amounts to a tax increase to most citizens of the state, regardless of when the law went into effect.
Most citizens would find some of these taxes more palatable, if the same innovative and aggressive manor was used to curtail wasteful spending as is used to collect taxes.
I don't really disagree with anything you said. I was trying to clear up some of the high level stuff for the posts that really had no clue what was going on. You seem to know what is going on and id be more than happy to discuss further, but my original comments weren't really directed at you.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:51 pm to Eighteen
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Lulz. Louisiana, nickel and diming their residents any way they can.
Pfffft....hardly.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:56 pm to Bamadiver
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Got a letter from Crutchfield
FUUUUCCCKKKKKK!
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