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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:37 pm to Scoob
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:37 pm to Scoob
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The Resistance had Ackbar's cruiser, which would be at least 35 yrs old, if it were brand new in Return of the Jedi. They seemed to have the same medical frigate the Rebellion used, and a lot of the other craft were similarly old. In short, they had old surplus craft ready for mothballs, facing a modern fleet with far superior numbers and larger capital ships. Recipe for disaster.
Not to that extent. We have aircraft carriers today that can last 20-25 years without refueling. The Enterprise in Star Trek can go for years without refueling. So now Star Wars cruisers only last 3 fricking days? They run on shitty fume gas? I think like between Empire and Return of the Jedi that the fleet is just fricking chilling at the edge of the galaxy over all that time. How did they last for months not needing to refuel? It’s the most retarded plot point in Star Wars history.
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Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:45 pm to OMLandshark
It's a guarantee that the word "deconstruct" was used a TON when writing this movie
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:47 pm to OMLandshark
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It’s the most retarded plot point in Star Wars history.
This is correct. And did you think you'd ever say that after the entire saga began with some kind of pseudo blockade of trade routes from Luke and Leia's mother's planet?
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:49 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I'm not defending the flaws you point out. That's all legit.
The Resistance had Ackbar's cruiser, which would be at least 35 yrs old, if it were brand new in Return of the Jedi. They seemed to have the same medical frigate the Rebellion used, and a lot of the other craft were similarly old. In short, they had old surplus craft ready for mothballs, facing a modern fleet with far superior numbers and larger capital ships. Recipe for disaster.
Not to that extent. We have aircraft carriers today that can last 20-25 years without refueling. The Enterprise in Star Trek can go for years without refueling. So now Star Wars cruisers only last 3 fricking days? They run on shitty fume gas? I think like between Empire and Return of the Jedi that the fleet is just fricking chilling at the edge of the galaxy over all that time. How did they last for months not needing to refuel? It’s the most retarded plot point in Star Wars history.
I'm saying the First Order has the equivalent of the current US Navy, including the latest commisioned ships.
The Resistance has 1 WW2 carrier, a couple smaller ships of that same era, and a single squadron of F-18's. Their only "new" stuff are the fighters, the rest is vintage.
It's not a pretty matchup.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:58 pm to Scoob
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I'm not defending the flaws you point out. That's all legit.
Then you acknowledge the movie is totally retarded.
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I'm saying the First Order has the equivalent of the current US Navy, including the latest commisioned ships.
The Resistance has 1 WW2 carrier, a couple smaller ships of that same era, and a single squadron of F-18's. Their only "new" stuff are the fighters, the rest is vintage.
Then why did the First Order fear the Resistance so much? Might as well be fricking Uzbekistan.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 11:08 pm to Scoob
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I'm saying the First Order has the equivalent of the current US Navy, including the latest commisioned ships.
The Resistance has 1 WW2 carrier, a couple smaller ships of that same era, and a single squadron of F-18's. Their only "new" stuff are the fighters, the rest is vintage.
It's not a pretty matchup.
That's all well in good. But even if it were possible for the rebel cruisers to run out of fuel, there's this thing called momentum. In the vacuum of outer space, there is nothing to slow you down. So when the cruiser ran out of fuel it would have continued onward, at the same speed, for an indefinite amount of time. In short...the First Order would have never caught up with it.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 11:11 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:That's another one that fits the "kill off old Star Wars so we can replace it with our tiresome political bullshite" theory.
Admiral Akbar was randomly killed with zero explanation
Either let Ackbar die a glorious death or just don't have him in the movie at all. What they did is just insulting, and Ackbar isn't even one of those evil white males they hate so much. I guess they did it because they know he's a huge favorite of ours.
That's the depth of their venom and hostility.
Maybe if Disney starts to take it up the arse through loss of interest, they'll sell the property and we can get movies that simply ignore and replace these shitty sequels with new ones. shite, with all of the "reboots of Spider-Man, Batman, etc., why not?
Posted on 12/23/17 at 11:31 pm to blueboy
I finally saw TLJ yesterday night.
One day later, I am still not sure what the heck to make of it.
All I know is that I'm pretty sure they fricked up Luke's character.
One day later, I am still not sure what the heck to make of it.
All I know is that I'm pretty sure they fricked up Luke's character.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:14 am to boXerrumble
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All I know is that I'm pretty sure they fricked up Luke's character.
I just got back from my 4th viewing of this PoS. Yes I know, but went opening night and went with family members as they come into town for the holidays.
Well the whole Luke becoming bitter and losing his faith didn't bother me previously. Maybe because we have so many other places TLJ fails that Luke's arc was at the bottom. But since coming to terms with some of the other issues, they really got who Luke is completely wrong.
Abrams kept Han intact in TFAs but Johnson just made up new traits for Luke's character. Han didn't give up on moving forward with life but Luke completely quit after 1 wrong decision.
TLJ is fckking junk.
Edt: It is not said enough how TLJ does not take itself seriously. Nearly the whole movie feels like a spoof or fan fiction. Shtt sometimes both.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 3:30 am
Posted on 12/24/17 at 4:24 am to CockCommander
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For me it did the 3 things a MOVIE needs to be good Great acting Emotional pull Audience investment
This is an obvious troll. This movie did absolutely none of this. Besides a few scenes with some stunning visuals the rest was garbage. It made zero sense.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 4:45 am to BOSCEAUX
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This is an obvious troll. This movie did absolutely none of this. Besides a few scenes with some stunning visuals the rest was garbage. It made zero sense.
The acting was awesome. Mark Hamel has become a wizard at his craft. Driver is fckking amazing at showing the conflict he is feeling inside. Ridley just has screen presence.
Would say the acting is the only thing this movie has going for itm
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:30 am to CockCommander
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CockCommander
We should stop feeding this troll
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:31 am to Breesus
Forbes: The Audience Strikes Back
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The box office numbers for the second Friday of Star Wars: The Last Jedi are in and they paint a bleak picture for the Rian Johnson-directed sequel. Down 77 percent from its opening day last Friday, the picture continues to distinguish itself as the worst holding film in the Star Wars franchise’s entire nine-film history.
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But even after adjusting for such differences, The Last Jedi still manages to live up to its title, sitting in last place as the Star Wars picture least capable of holding its audience. Or perhaps more pointedly, in failing to bring moviegoers back for multiple viewings. As Miles Bailey, a formerly fervent fan of the Star Wars films told me, “Disney shouldn’t bank on the hardcore, cosplay, convention crew like myself seeing this film 6, 7, 8, 9 times. Episode 8: The Last Jedi set out to kill everything about episodes 1-7 and succeeded. I’m not excited by Solo or episode 9. Star Wars is done for me.”
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:31 am to Breesus
seriously can i just point out, specifically, how terrible the post-Snoke death fight was?
you have the 2 alpha Force/Darkside users in the galaxy squaring off against regular people...and they have a hard time defeating them?
i mean it looked really bad on screen but the premise was insane. and it was pretty clear that since each red guard had a different weapon, that scene was created to (1) add toys and (2) insert a random light saber fight for no real reason
you have the 2 alpha Force/Darkside users in the galaxy squaring off against regular people...and they have a hard time defeating them?
i mean it looked really bad on screen but the premise was insane. and it was pretty clear that since each red guard had a different weapon, that scene was created to (1) add toys and (2) insert a random light saber fight for no real reason
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:33 am to Salamander_Wilson
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, “Disney shouldn’t bank on the hardcore, cosplay, convention crew like myself seeing this film 6, 7, 8, 9 times. Episode 8: The Last Jedi set out to kill everything about episodes 1-7 and succeeded. I’m not excited by Solo or episode 9. Star Wars is done for me.”
i hope this is true
if they want to deconstruct SW, the fans of SW need to say no
this needs to be the official gif of the Han Solo movie
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't remember that throne room scene being bad on screen, but I do agree that the premise is dumb. These are the same type of people Yoda did this to:
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:14 am to medtiger
exactly
Kylo showed in TFA that he had enough power to stop fricking laser blasts in midair...i think he can handle some regular dudes in red suits
Kylo showed in TFA that he had enough power to stop fricking laser blasts in midair...i think he can handle some regular dudes in red suits
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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exactly
Kylo showed in TFA that he had enough power to stop fricking laser blasts in midair...i think he can handle some regular dudes in red suits
It actually seems like his powers regressed in TLJ. In TFA I was shocked at how powerful he was notwithstanding Rey beating him while having absorbed a bowcaster shot that’s been shown to throw people 10 feet backwards.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Kylo showed in TFA that he had enough power to stop fricking laser blasts in midair...i think he can handle some regular dudes in red suits
Ehh, The Red Guard are still a bunch of badasses and should be able to give Rey and Kylo some trouble, but not enough that they can’t overcome. Jedis of Luke or Yoda’s caliber, probably not.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 10:10 am
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