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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:40 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:40 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Nothing has shown that Luke is anywhere near as powerful as Yoda. Astral projection is the only force ability Luke has shown that seems even remotely powerful. Especially compared to Anakin in the Clone Wars. Anakin brought the son and daughter to their knees and bent their will. Anakin became the center of the force and balanced it on Mortis.
Well, there was the time when he came into his own as an actual jedi by defeating Darth Vader one on one.
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If Luke is so powerful how did Ben overcome him in the hut and pin him down long enough to destroy the Jedi academy and decimate the majority of the students? Anakin and hell Obi Wan have this happen to them numerous times in the Clone Wars and they always have enough foresight and force ability to shield themselves from the debris.
That's just one of many stupid things in TLJ that doesn't work with either the character histories or the science fiction or the fantasy from earlier trilogies. Even the idea that flaws like this could be excused as deconstruction is pretty silly. Deconstruction implies some sort of fact based criticism and the use of rational judgment.
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:41 pm to molsusports
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Deconstruction implies some sort of fact based criticism and the use of rational judgment.
not much actually rational about post modernism
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not much actually rational about post modernism
True, including the meanings of the words they use. There's something bizarre about a world view taught by professors and written in textbooks that disputes the value of truth or expertise.
Especially when a lot of the existence of people saying this nonsense is made comfortable by enormous expertise and technology which depends upon the opposite principles.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:08 pm to molsusports
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Especially when a lot of the existence of people saying this nonsense is made comfortable by enormous expertise and technology which depends upon the opposite principles.
oh yes. my sister once tried to argue with me that math wasn't objective and i just pointed to her iphone and said i win
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Like everything else JJ set up, Rian Hackson decided that the Knights Of Ren don’t matter.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:50 pm to Breesus
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Well the part in bold is wrong. Rey had a little trouble, but not really. They beat the shite out of them. Especially Kylo.
And I'll have to disagree about it looking terrible. I enjoyed sit. It's my second favorite scene in the movie. Although that's not saying much.
It was the best part of the film. And it's a movie, it has to entertain. Having Jedi wipe everyone out in 2 seconds is not entertaining.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 4:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Having Jedi wipe everyone out in 2 seconds is not entertaining.
This wouldn’t be an issue if you didn’t show them performing Jedi miracles with no training in other scenes.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 5:30 pm to molsusports
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there was the time when he came into his own as an actual jedi by defeating Darth Vader one on one.
Luke didn’t defeat Vader with a Saber or the Force. He defeated him with an appeal to him as his dad.
Vader held back.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 12/24/17 at 5:46 pm to theunknownknight
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Luke didn’t defeat Vader with a Saber or the Force
LINK
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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JJ structurally fricked this trilogy by remaking ANH. by creating the Empire and Rebels, without any real explanation, just fricked everything up. it invalidates the entire OT by creating the same dynamics we've already seen.
You do know that in the real world there was a WWI and a WWII right? I had no problem with it. It seems like a very normal thing to happen. Yes the rebels won at the end of ROTJ, but another dictator rises to power on the back of the framework of the Empire? It could've been cool if we got to know whonth frick Snoke was and how he came to power.
But instead:
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Rian Johnson fricked this trilogy by literally attacking not only the ethos of the OT, but also TFA
100% agree. Every thing that TFA did right and set up TLJ ruined and tore down. I have never in my life hated a director more than Rian Johnson. I hate that dude on a weirdly deep personal level.
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apparently they're also going to push these movies be similar to Avengers, and that led to DISASTER in TLJ (i mean it was shite from literally the opening scene due to this). Star Wars is serious with certain avenues for comedy. Avengers is absurd which requires a lot of comedy to alleviate the tensions it presents. also the characters in Avengers are sarcastic and human
While I agree with your point completely, Disney did make CA Winter Soldier and Civil War. Both extremely well done movies with intense scenes and toned down humor to allow for dramatic tension.
And I loved Spiderman Homecoming. A movie made for teenagers that took some risks but was done well and stayed true to the source material and the nature of the characters.
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also, toys do dominate Star Wars decision-making
I'm not ashamed at all to admit that I have a Bluetooth controlled BB8, a Kylo action figure, a plush BB8 for my son, a little model of Kylo's ship, the blueray of the movie, etc...
I have not and will not buy one thing to support TLJ.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:42 pm to Breesus
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You do know that in the real world there was a WWI and a WWII right? I had no problem with it. It seems like a very normal thing to happen. Yes the rebels won at the end of ROTJ, but another dictator rises to power on the back of the framework of the Empire? It could've been cool if we got to know whonth frick Snoke was and how he came to power.
Sure, but in World War I there wasn't an ancient prophecy about "the chosen one who will bring balance to the force" like there was throughout the clone wars and the rebellion.
It just feels like none of that mattered because just ~40 years later, we're back to square one.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:45 pm to Breesus
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Disney did make CA Winter Soldier and Civil War. Both extremely well done movies with intense scenes and toned down humor to allow for dramatic tension.
well neither of them dropped to the level of the attempts at humor in TLJ
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And I loved Spiderman Homecoming. A movie made for teenagers that took some risks but was done well and stayed true to the source material and the nature of the characters.
and accordingly, the stakes were really low in that movie
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:47 pm to Broski
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Sure, but in World War I there wasn't an ancient prophecy about "the chosen one who will bring balance to the force" like there was throughout the clone wars and the rebellion.
It just feels like none of that mattered because just ~40 years later, we're back to square one.
exactly
let's assume the rebels win...other than the fact that we've already seen that, they won after BEING IN POWER TO START
they're not under dogs, no matter how much JJ/RJ try to turn them into under dogs
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but in World War I there wasn't an ancient prophecy about "the chosen one who will bring balance to the force" like there was throughout the clone wars and the rebellion
Balance to the force. Not peace to the universe.
Anakin certainly balanced the hell out of the force. It went from some powerful Sith and plenty of Jedi, then Anakin slaughtered all the Jedi, so it was left to 2 Sith and 2 Jedi. He killed one of those Jedi and the other just died, then he killed the last remaining Sith and himself. So it was left finally just his son and daughter. The force is hell of alot more balanced than it was before Anakin.
Of course Snoke's existence flies in the face of all of that.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:16 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:38 am to OMLandshark
Rogue One is a far superior movie to TLJ and also had a female lead. TFA is a far superior movie to TLJ and it had a female lead. This is why all this people hate it because of muh women is nonsense. It was a shitty film that beat you over the head with politics for no reason and shite on all the backstory build up of TFA. I guess that's what you get when you hire a pussyhat wearing sky screamer to direct. It's like the dude hates the Star Wars franchise and went out of his way to make a farce out of it. Writing sessions must have been something like OK we need a woman here and a person of color here and a guy doing something bad here now write whatever non-sensical bullshite pops into your head around that. I could give two shits about the gender or the race of characters in a movie but you can't just plug and play your political leanings into a movie and hope that carries a film with a shitfest story around it.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:03 am to BOSCEAUX
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It's like the dude hates the Star Wars franchise and went out of his way to make a farce out of it.
It really as if Syndrome wrote/directed this movie and deliberately made it as awful as possible. Rian Johnson comes off as a completely disgruntled fanboy that seems to have a beef with his former idol, deliberately decides to kill off every character and past story that the fans hold dear, and finally throwing out really all moral principles and make himself into a hero by directing a movie entirely about virtue signaling from a franchise he once loved.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 8:04 am
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:21 am to Breesus
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Civil War.
Lol....that airport scene was a freaking toy commercial.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:20 am to RLDSC FAN
Finally saw this last night and dove into this thread.
The disconnect, I think, is between those (like me) who want Star Wars movies to remain unique cultural events to cherish, versus those who are just looking for the next entertainment distraction. The prequals obviously started the shift, but those were protected somewhat by our nostalgia of the beloved story. A new Star Wars movie is now just the next Insurgent / Divergent / Maze Runner / Insert Teenish Pop Hero Sci Fi.
It's depressing but it's reality. The Last Jedi was no worse than Allegiant. That's the new standard for these movies, unfortunately.
The disconnect, I think, is between those (like me) who want Star Wars movies to remain unique cultural events to cherish, versus those who are just looking for the next entertainment distraction. The prequals obviously started the shift, but those were protected somewhat by our nostalgia of the beloved story. A new Star Wars movie is now just the next Insurgent / Divergent / Maze Runner / Insert Teenish Pop Hero Sci Fi.
It's depressing but it's reality. The Last Jedi was no worse than Allegiant. That's the new standard for these movies, unfortunately.
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