re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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I think those guys were supposed to be the Knights of Ren. That's how I'm going to believe. Apprentice Jedi trained by Luke and turned by Kylo. It's the only way the scene makes any sense, because of those guys aren't the Knights of Ren then where the frick are the Knights of Ren.

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i'm guessing that will never be explained fully

but that's the only possible explanation

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but that's the only possible explanation

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How?

We already know that we have a deleted scene with 2 additional Force users which didn't make it into TLJ Those are most likely some Knights of Ren.

They aren't the guards.

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Jedis of Luke or Yoda’s caliber, probably not.

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Nothing has shown that Luke is anywhere near as powerful as Yoda. Astral projection is the only force ability Luke has shown that seems even remotely powerful. Especially compared to Anakin in the Clone Wars. Anakin brought the son and daughter to their knees and bent their will. Anakin became the center of the force and balanced it on Mortis.

If Luke is so powerful how did Ben overcome him in the hut and pin him down long enough to destroy the Jedi academy and decimate the majority of the students? Anakin and hell Obi Wan have this happen to them numerous times in the Clone Wars and they always have enough foresight and force ability to shield themselves from the debris.

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that the really interesting stories are the ones between ROTJ and TFA

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Just like between RotS and ANH

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Then why did the First Order fear the Resistance so much? Might as well be fricking Uzbekistan.

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Well the answer should be because they are the last remnants of the Jedi and Leia.

i am thinking of a "Star Wars is dead" thread right now. more focused on the concepts of the OT that made it so beloved and how they're now without a home or real place to reappear in the current universe.

1. JJ structurally fricked this trilogy by remaking ANH. by creating the Empire and Rebels, without any real explanation, just fricked everything up. it invalidates the entire OT by creating the same dynamics we've already seen. that dissolves the stakes of the OT entirely within the framework of the NT.

2. Rian Johnson fricked this trilogy by literally attacking not only the ethos of the OT, but also TFA. JJ reset the universe to wash out the stink of the prequels, and then the very next movie in this sequence destroys that reset. so where we start with a structural issue, we have have outright destruction from a different angle. so now we have BOTH of these competing paths to failure duking it out. so how does the final chapter go? the JJ route or the RJ route? neither are good options and it's possible that a "split the baby" may incorporate the worst of both

3. Disney and the monetary issues of SW will never allow creations of the OT-level again. it's cliched but it's true in this instance. SW is simply too corporate. the movies are expensive (Both in terms of what was paid and how much each cost) and all have to be mega hits. Disney is not going to allow this universe to turn into another DCEU where risk is involved.

apparently they're also going to push these movies be similar to Avengers, and that led to DISASTER in TLJ (i mean it was shite from literally the opening scene due to this). Star Wars is serious with certain avenues for comedy. Avengers is absurd which requires a lot of comedy to alleviate the tensions it presents. also the characters in Avengers are sarcastic and human. the characters in Star Wars are serious (not that Han is dead) and aliens. Star Wars requires gravitas and Poe telling "your mama" jokes in a convoluted, stupid scheme ruins that.

also, toys do dominate Star Wars decision-making (this is not new and ROTJ suffered from this). new ships will be forced in. new characters will be forced in (chubby asian girl, BdT's code breaker, the cute bird things, etc). old characters who have no place in the movie will be forced in (Yoda, that fake yoda with glasses from TFA, captain fantastic, etc). this is all symbolized with the forced fight b/w the red guard of Snoke (who conveniently had unique weapons, so now it's 5-6 new toys)

4. the OT wasn't as good as nostalgia creates in our head. Empire is legit amazing. A New Hope was very good, but flawed, but it provided something new. ROTJ was a solid finale that showed the beginning of the issues. it may be time to accept that "Star Wars" is simply these 3 movies and a bunch of solid book canon that Disney discarded. what is "Star Wars" now is simply never going to be allowed to be another ANH and especially not an Empire. ROTJ is the absolute apex of what we could expect from a studio-free example of perfection today.

Kylo Ren’s freeze move with the force is probably on of coolest things in all of series and it was no where to be found in TLJ

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Kylo Ren’s freeze move with the force is probably on of coolest things in all of series and it was no where to be found in TLJ

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Which makes TLJ so anticlimactic. When the AT-ATs were firing on Luke, I expected this to happen a thousand fold and to redirect them back at the AT-ATs. That would have been amazing, but he wasn’t there at all.

how many of those weren't about music, sound, FX, etc?

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how many of those weren't about music, sound, FX, etc?

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The six Oscars it won were for technical achievements, sure. But it was also nominated for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, and Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guinness).