re: People who hated the O hire - thoughts now?

Irresponsible, lazy, emotional hire.

I sincerely, for all our sakes, hope it works out. We’re all LSU fans or we wouldnt be here.However, I’m prepared mentally for it to not work out, because the most likely outcome is that it won’t.

All that said, I’ll root for O or whoever is leading the Tigers. Alleva is to blame, not O and certainly not the team.

There’s really no logical defense to the hire whatsoever. It was was one of the worst Hires for a “Top10 program” this decade.

The only positive that might come out of this is all the criticism might prompt O and his staff to work overtime to prove people wrong and to get the job done well, so let’s hope that happens.

I'm from Virginia and dropped into BTR and met him last February.

Once you meet the man, you cannot help but believe.

I believe in "O"...

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Go root for Vandy you clown.

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We know you’re a Bama troll and HATE LSU if you found fault in anything I’ve posted.
I’ve spent too much time and money on MY school you watch it return to mediocrity. When you’re nearly 50 years in as an Alum come and talk to me. Until then, go frick yourself bitch.

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It seems like Orgeron is putting more emphasis on his staff's evaluations than recruiting service rankings.

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this is the standard, "go to" excuse from all CFB fan bases when their rankings slip

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Why should we care which path he chooses to go down, as long as he gets players that win games and compete for championships?

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there is statistical data linking recruiting rankings and competing for championships

Blue Chip ratio matters

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It’s not based on my opinion, but rather a simple stat I’ve been tracking for a few years: the Blue-Chip Ratio, which shows what percentage of a team’s signees are rated four- or five-stars ("blue chips") as recruits.

It boils down to teams that sign more four- and five-star recruits than two- and three-stars, over the previous four recruiting classes. That’s an exclusive club, usually consisting of the top 10 percent of FBS programs. All of the national champs over the last decade-plus have accomplished it, and often, the team taking home the trophy has signed many more elite players.

Clemson took home the title in 2016 after signing 52 percent blue chips in the 2013-16 classes. In 2015, it was Alabama with a 77 percent mark. In 2014, it was Ohio State at 68 percent. In 2013, it was Florida State at 53. And on and on.

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Clemson took home the title in 2016 after signing 52 percent blue chips in the 2013-16 classes.

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Do you know what Clemson's class ranking average was in those years? 12.75.

We definitely need to recruit blue chip players, I'm not arguing with that. I just don't get this notion that the class MUST be top 5 in order to do that.

there are some other stats about the actual rankings. i just didn't feel like looking it ALL up

like i said in another thread, any behavior of O has to be judged under this lens: is this more or less likely to lead LSU to beat Bama?

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People who hated the O hire - thoughts now?

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My thoughts are the same as they were from December of last year. And they are as follows:

1- The non-existent search was an embarrassment for LSU. We're a Top 10 program having won 2 National titles since 2000 and having played for a 3rd after one of the best seasons of all time in 2011. What Alleva did in hiring Orgeron was atrocious.

2- That Ed Orgeron did not deserve an interview for this job, let alone be given it. I've never said that his stint at ole Miss should always and forever be an albatross around his neck. everyone deserves a second chance. But...and this is an important one...people have to EARN a second chance. In this case, I mean he'd have had to go the route of taking a much lesser job and work his way back up to deserving another shot at a Power 5 conference head coaching job. Not stints as the interim which have NO bearing on running one's own program. I mean going to a smaller school and making it into your own and showing everyone that you've truly learned from your mistakes and deserve another shot at a better gig. there is nothing shocking about this expectation and this has almost ALWAYS been the road that coaches need to take if they flame out and want back in.

Instead, he took jobs as a position coach at both SC and LSU and both eventually turned into interim jobs. and in our case, he literally UPGRADED before showing he could run his own program at a lesser school...moving from failing at Ole Miss to landing the LSU job with no full time head coaching stops under his belt. That's a dumb move, regardless of whether or not it eventually works out.

3- That as much as I hate to see it, things will either stay about the same as they had been under the last few years of Miles when LSU fans had become apoplectic at our yearly record (but will seem to be ok with it under Orgeron making a change so much harder) or slowly erode even further because of his outright need for the best coordinators to come in and be the best minds on both sides of the ball while he does whatever it is he does. As much as I hate this hiring in particular, the suggestion that he hire the best and get out of their way and let them do their thing is the part that makes this unsustainable. No one ever said that about Saban...that if he only got thr frick out of the way and let Muschamp of Jimbo coach we'd be better off. It's horseshite and a lame excuse for excusing the fact that we hired a guy that didn't even have offers to be a coordinator at any Power 5 schools.

4- This year did nothing to alleviate any of the above. Almost tanking because he felt the need to interfere early on certainly didn't. Getting out of the way and letting Canada run his offense only proved the initial worry...that the "Orgeron system" only works by virtue of Orgeron staying out of the way.

What else can I say? None of this is said because I want LSU to fail. As much as I love being right, I love LSU football more. As a guy that's been in love with the program since 1982, and whose had season tickets since 2001, I'm simply saying that I hated the hire and worry aloud that it's going to tank, because I don't see any of positives some seem to see. This looks, to me, like a train wreck waiting to happen...and since I didn't expect a train wreck right off the bet, I still have those worries that sooner rather than later we're going to see this thing fall apart. there will be no gloating from me about it, just exasperation that for some of us this seemed so obviously and no one seemed to see it.

That being said, Orgeron can prove me wrong. If he begins to win at a higher rate than Miles did and he does so with multiple coordinators as Aranda and Canada move on, then this experiment will have been a success. And let's be VERY CLEAR...what LSU did and says it's trying to do IS an experiment. If it proves to work over the course of multiple coordinators and sustained success beyond what our previous coach brought, I'll HAPPILY say I was wrong...no doubt about it.

Fair enough?

Zero will be gone soon enough. Our schedule was easy this year and the SEC was down as a whole.

The last time we promoted a defensive asst to HC was 1986. Mike Archer had a very good year in 1987 and fairly good year in 1988. The wheels came off in 1989.

Zero lost by 30 to Miss St and Troy at home. Let's not get too excited.

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YUP coach O handpicked all these BAD teams and put them on the schedule... Its ALL his fault these teams sucked

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You're one crazy mofo, Peeeeej. I don't even know how you got that out of what is said or what idea you think it supports. He wouldn't have lost to terrible teams if they weren't on the schedule? What are you even trying to say?

It's O's fault that we lost to terrible teams, and he did it in a spectacularly bad manner that has never happened in program history before. Ultimate responsibility is his. Scheduling has nothing to do with it. It's almost as if you are saying that the only thing that should have saved O is not even playing the games.