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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:22 pm to kingbob
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:22 pm to kingbob
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As another poster mentioned: comparing broadband internet with wireless is like comparing an electrical grid to a gasoline generator.
What is the definition of broadband internet. Does LTE meet this requirement?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:23 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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They are the content
Not the gateway to content unless you have google fiber which is an amazing service.
You're not understanding what I'm getting at.
Who controls all of YouTube? Who controls the overwhelming majority of cloud infrastructure?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:24 pm to culsutiger
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The simple fact that you're asking this question shows that you have no clue what you're talking about.
You didn't answer my question.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:24 pm to Centinel
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What is the definition of broadband internet. Does LTE meet this requirement?
Using LTE isn’t a feasible solution for long term
Especially when you have your service degraded once your use 15-20GB
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:25 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Using LTE isn’t a feasible solution for long term
Especially when you have your service degraded once your use 15-20GB
Not relevant to my comment.
It's broadband internet. It just costs more. It's still broadband internet.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:26 pm to ShortyRob
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I'm still amazed that I'm supposed to fear Comcast and ATT, but not fear companies that DWARF them in size.........who also.........interestingly enough.........seem to have people in government willing to carry their water. On THIS issue in fact.
It’s like comparing Nixon and Pol Pot. Sure Pol Pot has less power and size, but give me a fricking break on who you would rather be under. You are suggesting we become subject to the corporate equivalent of Pol Pot.
Just a completely malicious and corrupt company where it’s safe to assume anything they tell you is only designed to frick you over.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:28 pm to Centinel
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What is the definition of broadband internet. Does LTE meet this requirement?
Broadband is hardwired, which makes it reliable and grants much higher speeds and consistency. Broadband typically is dispersed over very short distances via wifi, which typically only extends tens of feet from the router.
LTE does not meet this requirement. Airborne internet simply is too patchy, too inconsistent, and too expensive and limited relative to its speed to meet the needs of the consumer. Also, LTE providers are ALSO ISP's! who are the two of the three largest ISP's and the two largest LTE providers? Why, it's AT&T and Verizon! AT&T just so happens to be in the process of buying the 2nd largest broadband provider. The same AT&T also attempted to buy T-Mobile (which also owns MetroPCS) back in 2011! Also, yes, there are entire swaths of websites that do not work on a mobile platform.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:33 pm to Centinel
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Not relevant to my comment. It's broadband internet. It just costs more. It's still broadband internet.
Technically untrue.
Verizon and most carriers, even with an unlimited plan, throttle you to 3G speeds after 15G. So its not strictly a cost difference.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:33 pm to kingbob
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Broadband is hardwired,
No it's not. Go read up on the definition of broadband.
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Broadband typically is dispersed over very short distances via wifi, which typically only extends tens of feet from the router.
Uh...
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LTE does not meet this requirement.
Just stop. Go read the FCC definition of broadband.
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Airborne internet simply is too patchy, too inconsistent, and too expensive and limited relative to its speed to meet the needs of the consumer.
This has nothing to do with the definition of broadband.
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Also, yes, there are entire swaths of websites that do not work on a mobile platform.
Oh for the love of god man stop. Seriously stop.
Websites being able to display correctly in mobile browsers has ZERO to do with data transmission.
Do you even OSI model bro?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:33 pm to Sentrius
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I understand and could even support the rationale that getting rid of utility controls from the internet will encourage more competition in the free market and will do a lot to put down natural monopolies.
Except that's not what's going to happen at all. Not even in the slightest.
Why?
Because this is just action at the federal level and regardless of what happens with that, these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition.
Just look at states banning local municipalities from starting their own broadband and fiber networks and that's a perfect example of state and local governments protecting these monopolies.
Utility controls of the internet is what cancels out these actions at the state and local out and encourages competition.
So, until big corporations can't buy legislation at the state and local levels to protect their monopolies, I am completely opposed to getting rid of Net Neutrality.
Oh and it's beyond fricking crazy you are not putting something so evil as something like Comcast as on the same level as a murderer. They deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt at all as they don't and will never ever operate in good faith with their customers. Comcast is a dirty rotten piece of shite.
Keep the internet open and free and that's why Net Neutrality should be saved.
All of this. We know that the ISP's are going to abuse the customers in the way that has been predicted because THEY DID IT 3 YEARS AGO!!!
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:34 pm to AUbused
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Technically untrue.
No, if anything it's technically true.
The ISP throttling you has nothing to do with their ability to provide data at broadband speeds.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:34 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't give a rat's frick that it was Obama's policy.
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You dumb fricks act as if those of us who generally oppose regulations of this sort just suddenly started holding that view in the last 8 years.
Oh please. None of us knew what Net Neutrality meant 8 years ago. You act like I’m talking about tax codes and not something that is radically different than it was this time 10 years ago.
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That either means you're a complete fricking dumb arse or, 8 years ago, you were in high school.
Cause this shite ain't new by a long shot.
Yeah, Johnny Badass here claiming he knew about the intricasies of Net Neutrality roughly a decade ago. It just shows to me that you’re a pridefully ignorant dumbass. 99.9% had no clue what they were talking about back then, and only maybe 5% do now.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:37 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:38 pm to Sentrius
I guarantee Trump knows even less about this subject than most average people.
Obama passed it, and he can end it.
End of story
Obama passed it, and he can end it.
End of story
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:38 pm to Centinel
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The ISP throttling you has nothing to do with their ability to provide data at broadband speeds.
Relying on cell towers is mehhhhh
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:39 pm to Sentrius
How is letting government control private companies a good thing? Have we learned nothing about our government lately? NN allows the creation of a government controlled firewall essentially that can be politicised or even weaponized.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:39 pm to kingbob
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It was already starting to happen. AT&T and Comcast customers had brought fraud suits based on advertised speeds verses what they were actually experiencing.
Not really. It had happened exactly four times. That's FOUR out of 2663 ISPs in the US.
And the AT&T claim turned out to be bullshite. A judge threw it out in 2016.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:39 pm to OMLandshark
Net Neutrality has been inherent in the internet since its creation. The internet was regulated by ICANN. However, when ISP's discovered that they had the technology to not just monitor individual users download activities, but that they could actually control those speeds without the customer being the wiser. We don't know exactly when they started, but they were caught doing it red-handed in 2014 and were sued for it. When ICANN realized that they didn't have the teeth to force the ISP's to not do what they were doing, they decided to relinquish their role in regulating net neutrality and turn that responsibility over to the FCC.
Just because the FCC just started regulating this in the last 4 years does not mean that this is some new policy. They were simply continuing the same status quo that has existed since the internet was created because the technology and leverage of the ISP's outgrew the ability of the private market to self-regulate.
Just because the FCC just started regulating this in the last 4 years does not mean that this is some new policy. They were simply continuing the same status quo that has existed since the internet was created because the technology and leverage of the ISP's outgrew the ability of the private market to self-regulate.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:40 pm
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