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I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:50 pm
I understand and could even support the rationale that getting rid of utility controls from the internet will encourage more competition in the free market and will do a lot to put down natural monopolies.
Except that's not what's going to happen at all. Not even in the slightest.
Why?
Because this is just action at the federal level and regardless of what happens with that, these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition.
Just look at states banning local municipalities from starting their own broadband and fiber networks and that's a perfect example of state and local governments protecting these monopolies.
Utility controls of the internet is what cancels out these actions at the state and local out and encourages competition.
So, until big corporations can't buy legislation at the state and local levels to protect their monopolies, I am completely opposed to getting rid of Net Neutrality.
Oh and it's beyond fricking crazy you are not putting something so evil as something like Comcast as on the same level as a murderer. They deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt at all as they don't and will never ever operate in good faith with their customers. Comcast is a dirty rotten piece of shite.
Keep the internet open and free and that's why Net Neutrality should be saved.
Except that's not what's going to happen at all. Not even in the slightest.
Why?
Because this is just action at the federal level and regardless of what happens with that, these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition.
Just look at states banning local municipalities from starting their own broadband and fiber networks and that's a perfect example of state and local governments protecting these monopolies.
Utility controls of the internet is what cancels out these actions at the state and local out and encourages competition.
So, until big corporations can't buy legislation at the state and local levels to protect their monopolies, I am completely opposed to getting rid of Net Neutrality.
Oh and it's beyond fricking crazy you are not putting something so evil as something like Comcast as on the same level as a murderer. They deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt at all as they don't and will never ever operate in good faith with their customers. Comcast is a dirty rotten piece of shite.
Keep the internet open and free and that's why Net Neutrality should be saved.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:53 pm to Sentrius
Trump told them to be against net neutrality so they're not gonna budge.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:55 pm to Sentrius
quote:Certainly a significant problem that voters need to address.
Because this is just action at the federal level and regardless of what happens with that, these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition.
Alas, regulating at the federal level because you don't like regulation at the local level seems a bit silly.
And, those guys who bought the local regulators? Yeah. They'll buy ANY regulators at ANY level.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:55 pm to Toddy
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Trump told them to be against net neutrality so they're not gonna budge.
Unlike you hiding and ducking like a coward whenever Obama did something you didn't like, I'm not afraid to call out Donald Trump for doing something I am opposed to.
I may have voted for him but I'm not in 100% agreement with him.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:56 pm to Toddy
quote:You're such a Johnny fricking one note and moreover, you've been on this board long enough to know that most of us who are anti-NN were that LONG before Trump.
Trump told them to be against net neutrality so they're not gonna budge.
Which means. Once again. You demonstrate you are piece of shite liar.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:56 pm to Sentrius
quote:
these natural monopolies
ISPs aren't natural monopolies.
Next.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:59 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Certainly a significant problem that voters need to address.
"Adress"
Like that has any real possibility of happening.
quote:
Alas, regulating at the federal level because you don't like regulation at the local level seems a bit silly.
Regulations against government sponsored monopolies is a bit different from regulations I don't like at the local level.
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And, those guys who bought the local regulators? Yeah. They'll buy ANY regulators at ANY level.
Duh.
And you're seeing it with Ajit Pai and the republican FCC.
It's republicans who want to protect these monopolies so they get bought out by Comcast and AT&T.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:00 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Certainly a significant problem that voters need to address.
Alas, regulating at the federal level because you don't like regulation at the local level seems a bit silly.
And, those guys who bought the local regulators? Yeah. They'll buy ANY regulators at ANY level.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:00 pm to Sentrius
Dude it’s like madness explaining this to some people
This is a good way for Trump to turn off younger people who vote for him.
This is a good way for Trump to turn off younger people who vote for him.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:00 pm to Centinel
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ISPs aren't natural monopolies.
Next.
Ah sorry, that was a brain fart on my part.
I should've just said monopolies if we want to be basic here but yeah, these monopolies are not natural and will continue to be so on the state and local level so repealing net neutrality is going to make the problem worse.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:01 pm to Sentrius
I wonder what Ajit Pai did before he entered government service... any guesses?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:02 pm to Sentrius
quote:Not to put too fine a point on it but if you have no confidence in the voter ability to prevent the selling out locally, then I'll take that as a DOUBLE argument for not CENTRALIZING that shite. Just sayin.....
"Adress"
Like that has any real possibility of happening.
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Regulations against government sponsored monopolies is a bit different from regulations I don't like at the local level.
Truism 1. Gov't officials can be manipulated to the favor of people with access
Truism 2. This is basically ALWAYS true with regulation.
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It's republicans who want to protect these monopolies so they get bought out by Comcast and AT&T.
I'm still amazed that I'm supposed to fear Comcast and ATT, but not fear companies that DWARF them in size.........who also.........interestingly enough.........seem to have people in government willing to carry their water. On THIS issue in fact.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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This is a good way for Trump to turn off younger people who vote for him.
And I'm one of them as I'm in my late 20s.
This is not a good thing as generation Z is pretty based as frick but repealing Net Neutrality could unwind some of that progress and they're going to be voting very soon.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:03 pm to Sentrius
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I should've just said monopolies if we want to be basic here but yeah, these monopolies are not natural and will continue to be so on the state and local level so repealing net neutrality is going to make the problem worse.
Props for admitting that
However I would propose to you that even the monopolies at the state and local level aren't "true" monopolies because of the existence of wireless providers.
There are of course exceptions in very rural locations.
Now having made that point, I full agree with you that state and local governments are a huge problem in major ISPs having dominance.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:04 pm to boosiebadazz
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I wonder what Ajit Pai did before he entered government service... any guesses?
Didn't work for an ISP?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:06 pm to Sentrius
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Keep the internet open and free and that's why Net Neutrality should be saved.
This isn't that. This is codified excuses to anti trust action
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:07 pm to Centinel
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However I would propose to you that even the monopolies at the state and local level aren't "true" monopolies because of the existence of wireless providers.
Which are only no more than a handful.
Here in Baton Rouge, it's only Cox Cable or DirecTV. That's it.
It's just barely better the next parish over with Eatel, Cox and DirecTV.
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I full agree with you that state and local governments are a huge problem in major ISPs having dominance.
Net neutrality is a protection against the states being an enforcer of the major ISPs and why it should never be repealed.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Sentrius
quote:
And I'm one of them as I'm in my late 20s. This is not a good thing as generation Z is pretty based as frick but repealing Net Neutrality could unwind some of that progress and they're going to be voting very soon.
Net neutrality basically regulates mediocrity into permanency. Pass
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Sentrius
quote:
This is not a good thing as generation Z is pretty based as frick but repealing Net Neutrality could unwind some of that progress and they're going to be voting very soon.
Meh.
In 10 years, we'll all look back at this and people like me will get our little chuckles at the expense of all of the people who said the sky would fall.
As for Trump.
I'm STILL of the mind that the dude has never really planned to run again in 2020. In any case. I don't think he gives THAT big a frick. He said he would act based on what he thought best..........not based upon putting his thumb in the wind.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Centinel
Associate General Counsel for Verizon
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