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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Net neutrality basically regulates mediocrity into permanency. Pass
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:09 pm to Sentrius
I disagree. What happened in 2015 was the private body that had regulated the internet decided to cease doing so moving forward, so the government stepped in. If the government ceases to do so, there won't be a private body with the teeth to keep net neutrality (which isn't a limitation, but a feature) alive.
The problem is that ISP's have been treated like utilities when it benefited them (allowed to run lines in public right of ways, anti-trust protection when forming geographic monopolies, subsidies to expand service to new areas, massive regulatory barriers to entry, etc), but all with zero protection for the consumer that typically comes with utility designation. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Many advocates of what the Trump Administration wants to do argue that the ISP's own the pipe, so they should have full control over what's in it. However, not only is that pipe on public right of ways, but local, state, and federal government programs often heavily subsidized or even outright payed for those lines to be placed where they are. The government deserves to have a say in what those "pipes" carry as long as those pipes are restricted to just the company that installed them. Unless you want to nationalize the pipes and then allow any ISP that wants to compete in the marketplace to use them, this is the best option for ensuring consumers are protected.
Net Neutrality regulation by the FCC wasn't done to counter a problem before it happened. It was already starting to happen. AT&T and Comcast customers had brought fraud suits based on advertised speeds verses what they were actually experiencing. It was in this study that they discovered that ISP's were throttling speeds when customers used Netflix for more than an hour at a time. The speeds would suddenly slow to a crawl 2/3rds of the way into a movie.
The FCC stepped in because someone had to, and they are the only theoretically impartial body left with the teeth to keep the ISP's in line.
It's bad enough that search engines are hiding search results that run counter to a political narrative. Do you really want ISP's to also have the power to ensure those sites, if found, cannot even be loaded?
The problem is that ISP's have been treated like utilities when it benefited them (allowed to run lines in public right of ways, anti-trust protection when forming geographic monopolies, subsidies to expand service to new areas, massive regulatory barriers to entry, etc), but all with zero protection for the consumer that typically comes with utility designation. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Many advocates of what the Trump Administration wants to do argue that the ISP's own the pipe, so they should have full control over what's in it. However, not only is that pipe on public right of ways, but local, state, and federal government programs often heavily subsidized or even outright payed for those lines to be placed where they are. The government deserves to have a say in what those "pipes" carry as long as those pipes are restricted to just the company that installed them. Unless you want to nationalize the pipes and then allow any ISP that wants to compete in the marketplace to use them, this is the best option for ensuring consumers are protected.
Net Neutrality regulation by the FCC wasn't done to counter a problem before it happened. It was already starting to happen. AT&T and Comcast customers had brought fraud suits based on advertised speeds verses what they were actually experiencing. It was in this study that they discovered that ISP's were throttling speeds when customers used Netflix for more than an hour at a time. The speeds would suddenly slow to a crawl 2/3rds of the way into a movie.
The FCC stepped in because someone had to, and they are the only theoretically impartial body left with the teeth to keep the ISP's in line.
It's bad enough that search engines are hiding search results that run counter to a political narrative. Do you really want ISP's to also have the power to ensure those sites, if found, cannot even be loaded?
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm to ShortyRob
I’d like to hear Trump string together a few sentences on his position on net neutrality.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm to Sentrius
Good for you. Sadly, most here and most in the country don't understand what this truly means. Aside from the direct costs to consumers, there will be a collateral impact as well due to business to business fees for streaming and other high data services.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm to Sentrius
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Which are only no more than a handful.
Here in Baton Rouge, it's only Cox Cable or DirecTV. That's it.
You don't have Verizon, TMobile, Sprint, etc?
Even ignoring the mobiles, that's still not a monopoly.
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Net neutrality is a protection against the states being an enforcer of the major ISPs and why it should never be repealed.
Huh?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm to ShortyRob
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You're such a Johnny fricking one note
It's a product of semen overdoses
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:12 pm to Sentrius
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And I'm one of them as I'm in my late 20s.
This is not a good thing as generation Z is pretty based as frick but repealing Net Neutrality could unwind some of that progress and they're going to be voting very soon.
It’s a great way to silence opposition view points and media
Sets a bad precedent
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:12 pm to Centinel
quote:Ya wanna know what's funny.
You don't have Verizon, TMobile, Sprint, etc?
Even ignoring the mobiles, that's still not a monopoly.
Even my old arse is likely to live to see a time when young people of a future generation look at us and say, "you frickers needed wires for the Internet????!!!!"
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:15 pm to Sentrius
quote:I was AT&T and now XFinity and my neighborhood has more paint and flags of different colors than I have ever seen (CSpire fiber). Pretty sure you don't know what monopoly means. Never tried the satellite internet but there is that, too.
Because this is just action at the federal level and regardless of what happens with that, these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It’s a great way to selient opposition view points and media
You should be much more worried about Google and Amazon on this front.
My favorite is the power that Akamai has over CDNs.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:15 pm to Sentrius
Thank you. The Trumpkins have literally only put one thing into account on why they’re against it: it is Obama’s policy. He did a few good things, like say Cuba. This was one of them.
The internet to compete in current society is a utility and a major channel for free speech. You can not have Comcast dictating that. As far as I’m concerned, we should primary every Republican Senator and Representative who voted for this. They sold us out to Comcast and AT&T. They don’t represent the people.
The internet to compete in current society is a utility and a major channel for free speech. You can not have Comcast dictating that. As far as I’m concerned, we should primary every Republican Senator and Representative who voted for this. They sold us out to Comcast and AT&T. They don’t represent the people.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:16 pm to Centinel
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You should be much more worried about Google and Amazon on this front.
We been over this
If you don’t like google then go to bing
Don’t like your ISP well you might be shite out of luck
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I don't give a rat's frick that it was Obama's policy.
Thank you. The Trumpkins have literally only put one thing into account on why they’re against it: it is Obama’s policy. He did a few good things, like say Cuba. This was one of them.
You dumb fricks act as if those of us who generally oppose regulations of this sort just suddenly started holding that view in the last 8 years.
That either means you're a complete fricking dumb arse or, 8 years ago, you were in high school.
Cause this shite ain't new by a long shot.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:17 pm to Centinel
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You don't have Verizon, TMobile, Sprint, etc?
Not for internet or tv.
We do have AT&T, but it is limited to only a select few neighborhoods, and Direc-TV is owned by AT&T
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:18 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:18 pm to kingbob
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Not for internet or tv.
Not for internet? Are you saying you can't access the internet using TMobile, Verizon, or Sprint?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:19 pm to culsutiger
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If this is your argument, then I can only conclude that you are actually retarded.
It's like arguing that a gasoline generator is a substitute for the electrical grid.
Is there some part of the internet you can't access using mobile providers?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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If you don’t like google then go to bing
Google is much more than a search engine.
Amazon is much more than a place to buy shite and get free two day shipping.
Facebook is much more than a place to share your pics with grandma.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:21 pm to Centinel
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Not for internet? Are you saying you can't access the internet using TMobile, Verizon, or Sprint?
1. Sprint and T-Mobile don't really work in South Louisiana. They exist, but they're basically useless. You might as well have dial up internet. The only networks that work are AT&T (which is spotty as hell in downtown BR and anywhere south of LSU) and Verizon (which does work)
2. As another poster mentioned: comparing broadband internet with wireless is like comparing an electrical grid to a gasoline generator.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:22 pm to Centinel
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Google is much more than a search engine.
Amazon is much more than a place to buy shite and get free two day shipping.
Facebook is much more than a place to share your pics with grandma.
They are the content
Not the gateway to content unless you have google fiber which is an amazing service.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:23 pm
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