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One of the best descriptions about how the Orgeron hiring process went down.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:34 pm
And how it SHOULD have gone down....
USAToday sports
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Imagine how embarrassing it must have been the night of Nov. 25, 2016 for officials from LSU. Not only did they have their sights on Tom Herman, they had gone all-in on hiring him away from Houston.
But then, as reports of Herman nearing a deal with LSU began to surface, Texas officials made their move. The final decision to fire Charlie Strong came at some point during Texas’ 31-9 loss to TCU that day, and within hours the Herman flirtation with LSU came to an end.
At the end of the day, LSU athletics director Joe Alleva got played. Hey, it happens. The decision to pursue Herman was the right one for LSU. If he preferred to go to Texas, so be it. Nothing you can do.
But rather than take a breath, hit the reset button and start the coaching search for Les Miles’ replacement all over again, LSU was humiliated and went into panic mode. The next morning, on Nov. 26, Alleva called Ed Orgeron and offered him the head coaching job.
Ed Orgeron. To be the head coach. Of the LSU Tigers.
There were two problems with that. First, hiring Orgeron is ridiculous enough. Though it was a decade ago, his tenure at Ole Miss was a train wreck of legendary proportions, so handing him the keys to a top-10 program was reckless at best. Some people are good assistants but bad head coaches. Everyone who watched the Ole Miss debacle saw that Orgeron fell into that category.
But second, and perhaps more important, LSU made this decision when it didn’t need to.
After the Herman humiliation, a competent athletics director would have slept it off, taken the emotion out of it, called a search firm the next morning and gotten back to work on a list of the best candidates. Orgeron was always going to be there for LSU, whether the search took another week or another month. Nobody else was going to hire him to be a head coach. He could have been the fallback option to the fallback option.
Furthermore, giving him an ironclad contract that the school couldn’t get out of quickly or inexpensively was just bad business by LSU. Contrast that with Missouri and Barry Odom, who accepted a deal that could allow the school to make a change for $1.8 million this year, and you see Alleva’s folly. LSU had leverage over Orgeron but played the entire situation last November as if he was the only available date to the prom.
USAToday sports
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:37 pm to LSURussian
Anyone on this board could have gotten a better contract than this dumbass.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:37 pm to LSURussian
Alleva was a fool, but what about the BOS members who approved this deal?
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:38 pm to LSURussian
Unfortunately, I can't argue with any of that.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:39 pm to LSURussian
Spot on, but nothing we all don't already know.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:46 pm to LSURussian
From the article...
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It seems some folks at LSU bought the idea that Orgeron could be their Dabo Swinney, where he does all the other stuff and leaves the coaching to his high-paid coordinators. But that notion implies a fundamental misunderstanding of what a head coach means.
Yes, the Clemson model put a priority on high-paid coordinators with significant autonomy to run their units. But that doesn’t give enough credit to the importance of culture and how well Swinney runs the organization. You can’t be an effective CEO if you’re not a good leader, and coordinators are only going to be as good as their head coach allows and inspires them to be. LSU got outplayed and outcoached on Saturday by Troy.
That falls on one man’s shoulders, and LSU needs to figure out quickly whether it signed up for a permanent condition or has the stomach to pay its way out of the ditch.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:48 pm to LSURussian
It really clarifies how bad Alleva is. First mistake was after performing a 4 month coaching search and putting all of his eggs in the Herman basket.
This post was edited on 10/1/17 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:57 pm to LSURussian
The contract buyout could have easily been adjusted based on winning games. It's not like Orgeron would have been able to argue much, as LSU was doing him more of a favor than he was doing them.
So let's say the bar is 8 wins. That was Miles' season low winning total throughout his career at LSU IIRC. If Orgeron wins 8 games, his buyout is full amount, $12m year one. However if the win total is seven, then the buyout drops to 50% being $6m. Then at 6 wins, buyout is 25% ($3m), and 5 wins or less = $1.5m buyout, year one.
This would have been a good motivation for Orgeron to win games, as well as covering the investment of the University and TAF in case of the likely crash, as everyone in the nation knew this hire was a huge gamble.
But what the fack do I know. Carry on, LSU brass. Keep wasting your supporters' money while getting paid ridiculous salaries.
So let's say the bar is 8 wins. That was Miles' season low winning total throughout his career at LSU IIRC. If Orgeron wins 8 games, his buyout is full amount, $12m year one. However if the win total is seven, then the buyout drops to 50% being $6m. Then at 6 wins, buyout is 25% ($3m), and 5 wins or less = $1.5m buyout, year one.
This would have been a good motivation for Orgeron to win games, as well as covering the investment of the University and TAF in case of the likely crash, as everyone in the nation knew this hire was a huge gamble.
But what the fack do I know. Carry on, LSU brass. Keep wasting your supporters' money while getting paid ridiculous salaries.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:59 pm to LSURussian
quote:bullseye
Furthermore, giving him an ironclad contract that the school couldn’t get out of quickly or inexpensively was just bad business by LSU. Contrast that with Missouri and Barry Odom, who accepted a deal that could allow the school to make a change for $1.8 million this year, and you see Alleva’s folly. LSU had leverage over Orgeron but played the entire situation last November as if he was the only available date to the prom.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:09 pm to LSURussian
I cant imagine what the reaction of the hire would have been had we known about thr buyout...
You bet your arse the BOS wouldnt have approved it after the backlash
You bet your arse the BOS wouldnt have approved it after the backlash
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:31 pm to LSURussian
Don't leave out part about the previous November, Les was dead man walking and toted off field only to come back. If not that, O never happens.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:46 am to LSURussian
Whether you agree with the premise or not, that article is 20/20 hindsight by USA Today. Where was all of this criticism when the hire was made, or at anytime prior to the Troy debacle?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:05 am to LSURussian
quote:
But rather than take a breath, hit the reset button and start the coaching search for Les Miles’ replacement all over again, LSU was humiliated and went into panic mode. The next morning, on Nov. 26, Alleva called Ed Orgeron and offered him the head coaching job.
Ed Orgeron. To be the head coach. Of the LSU Tigers.
There were two problems with that. First, hiring Orgeron is ridiculous enough. Though it was a decade ago, his tenure at Ole Miss was a train wreck of legendary proportions, so handing him the keys to a top-10 program was reckless at best. Some people are good assistants but bad head coaches. Everyone who watched the Ole Miss debacle saw that Orgeron fell into that category.
where were all these common sense folks when were screaming about this then?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:13 am to LSURussian
quote:This is where things went to shite. Alleva is a pussy.
But second, and perhaps more important, LSU made this decision when it didn’t need to. After the Herman humiliation, a competent athletics director would have slept it off, taken the emotion out of it, called a search firm the next morning and gotten back to work on a list of the best candidates. Orgeron was always going to be there for LSU, whether the search took another week or another month. Nobody else was going to hire him to be a head coach. He could have been the fallback option to the fallback option.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:02 am to LSURussian
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Furthermore, giving him an ironclad contract that the school couldn’t get out of quickly or inexpensively was just bad business by LSU.
While this is true, I don't think this is negligence per se by Alleva. Now, before you crucify me, I (and I'm not alone) believe Alleva did this on purpose so we would be stuck with him to "give him time" to do it his way, knowing that his (Alleva's) success and legacy will be almost exclusively based on this hire. He did this to protect himself from the very thing that is being talked about now - an early jettison of O, clearly a bad move from the beginning, and with it Alleva's legacy.
So, if this is true, it isn't negligence. It's malfeasance. Even if we can't prove it - either negligence or malfeasance is certain under the legal principle of res ipsa loquitur and since he could be fired for either, he should be immediately.
I remain categorically against firing O until Alleva (and possibly Alexander) are fired so they do not pick his replacement.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 11:03 am
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