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First human ancestors came from Europe not Africa 7.2 million-year-old fossils indicate

Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:07 pm
Newsweek just published an article which suggests two fossils found in Bulgaria and Greece that are dated between 7.2 and 7.1 million years ago is proof that the first hominin species may have emerged in Europe not Africa.

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The first hominin species, a line that eventually leads to humans, may have emerged in Europe 7.2 million years ago and not Africa—the most widely accepted starting point for our ancestors.

An international team of scientists has presented two studies that suggest the divergence point between chimpanzees and humans took place in the Eastern Mediterranean rather than East Africa. Their findings, published in PLOS ONE, are based on two fossils of the species Graecopithecus freybergi, which were discovered in Greece and Bulgaria and have now been dated to between 7.2 and 7.1 million years ago.



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Both fossils—a lower jaw and an upper premolar—were examined using state-of-the-art computer tomography, allowing the scientists to look at their internal structures.

Their findings showed the teeth are fused in a way that is characteristic of early humans, including Ardipithecus and Australopithecus, the latter of which the famous Lucy fossil belongs to. The jawbone also had dental root features that appear to belong to a pre-human rather than to an ancient chimp.






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Cole says that the studies show that there was a connected landmass between Africa and Europe and that the desert between them created a barrier, dividing populations and causing a new species to emerge.

But the fossilised hominim is not necessarily our earliest ancestor and may have separated from some other early species that would eventually go on to become Ardipithecus.

“ If we just try to look at it with hominin dispersals in context, there have certainly been primates and hominin species moving in and out of Africa and we tend to see the drawings of the arrows moving in one direction, but there’s no reason why they can’t be bidirectional,” he says.


This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:08 pm to
inb4kangz
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
The idea that humans originated in sub-saharan africa and spread from there never made much sense to me. The sahara desert is nearly the size of the united states. No primitive people were crossing that desert to populate other lands. They would have been cooked and died.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
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not Africa.



Sounds like this part is very important to you.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
Racist archeologists.
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
Makes me proud to be a European American.
Posted by MC5601
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
ib4 that's racist!
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:10 pm to
Cool.

This is what is so awesome about science. They update their conclusions based on available evidence.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:12 pm to
Science says so snowflakes. Sorry.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:16 pm to
So us white folks WERE KANGS.


(BTW, I don't believe this disproves OOA. Let the paper go through thorough peer review and let's see what the consensus is after a few years of analysis).
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:20 pm to
The land of whitey is the cradle of civilization.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:37 pm to
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But the fossilised hominim is not necessarily our earliest ancestor 
why would you start a thread title that says the opposite of this
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:38 pm to
I've always wondered why intelligent humanoids/bipeds would choose an extremely hot climate like Africa over a lush place to live. This seems to make sense.
Posted by ThruThickandThin
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:39 pm to
No wonder I'm so smart
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:39 pm to
I thought science was settled?
Posted by LSU1NSEC
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:48 pm to
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species Graecopithecus freybergi



interesting
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:51 pm to
Is there a theory of de-evolution?
Posted by mauser
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:53 pm to
And if they find an older one in North Dakota or maybe Bolivia they will say we emerged from there.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:59 pm to


No motherfricker. I did not come from Harambe.
Posted by Bristol Dawg
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:46 pm to
All cool stuff. Sure fossilized but hope we can get some DNA. Location of our genealogical Eve could shift a bit.
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