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Whats the perfect offense for LSU?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:58 pm
Forget coordinators for a second. If you could build the perfect OC to match with what LSU already has in place, what would it look like?
I'll be honest, I love the idea of a briles or helfrich running 90 plays a game, because they definitely know how to score points. But there is something to be said for a little more clock control to keep your defense fresh. There is a reason those type of teams, ie oregon, baylor, louisville have never really had dominating defenses. I honestly wonder what aranda would think about that plan.
That's part of the main reason I was so excited about Herman or jimbo. It seems like both have found a good mixture of aggressive and efficient play calling, while not wearing out the defense. (I'm looking more at Ohio st offense under Herman than his Houston stint)
Bama obviously has the perfect mixture. So even though I'm not super excited about kiffins play calling sometimes, I do enjoy that style more.
I'll take and be happy with any of the above, but if we start running true HUNH, I wouldn't expect a top 5 defense anymore, statistic-wise. And maybe that's okay.
I'll be honest, I love the idea of a briles or helfrich running 90 plays a game, because they definitely know how to score points. But there is something to be said for a little more clock control to keep your defense fresh. There is a reason those type of teams, ie oregon, baylor, louisville have never really had dominating defenses. I honestly wonder what aranda would think about that plan.
That's part of the main reason I was so excited about Herman or jimbo. It seems like both have found a good mixture of aggressive and efficient play calling, while not wearing out the defense. (I'm looking more at Ohio st offense under Herman than his Houston stint)
Bama obviously has the perfect mixture. So even though I'm not super excited about kiffins play calling sometimes, I do enjoy that style more.
I'll take and be happy with any of the above, but if we start running true HUNH, I wouldn't expect a top 5 defense anymore, statistic-wise. And maybe that's okay.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:05 am to SportTiger1
The Offense Urban Runs
There is power running, QBs make plays with their feet, but really are pass first.
You don't need Peyton Manning to run it effectively.
There is power running, QBs make plays with their feet, but really are pass first.
You don't need Peyton Manning to run it effectively.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:06 am to SportTiger1
Power Spread. Urban Meyer and Matt Canada
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:10 am to SportTiger1
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Whats the perfect offense for LSU?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:17 am to SportTiger1
power spread at LSU would be nice
I just gotta shake my head when some people say they don't want a briles or urban like power spread here bc they throw too much. its like they ignore all the stats right in front of them.
I just gotta shake my head when some people say they don't want a briles or urban like power spread here bc they throw too much. its like they ignore all the stats right in front of them.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 12:18 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:25 am to SportTiger1
If you're asking what OC would best compliment LSU's personnel for next season, then your answer is Matt Canada
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:48 am to SportTiger1
I think pro style is the best for LSU. As in almost exactly what we have right now (I'd prefer less zone blocking run plays but it's what we have to run with the o-line talent we have - not enough horses - can't get a good enough push up front to run any thing else). But Miles' playcalling, the lack of QB development, and less than stellar O-line performances against good defensive fronts recently has left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth.
I'm telling you though, a well executed pro style offense with the defenses we put out every year = championship. Pro style is tailor-made for a good defensive team.
ETA: And I'm not gonna lie I also love watching pro style the most. The spread is fricking boring and soft. Watching the screens and 5 and 10 yard out routes all game... no thanks.
I'm telling you though, a well executed pro style offense with the defenses we put out every year = championship. Pro style is tailor-made for a good defensive team.
ETA: And I'm not gonna lie I also love watching pro style the most. The spread is fricking boring and soft. Watching the screens and 5 and 10 yard out routes all game... no thanks.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 3:09 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:05 am to SportTiger1
my big concern is that O doesn't know what he wants to do. he's a prostyle guy but his offer to that other QB when we already have 2 commits concerns the hell out of me. I hear he's considering offering another spread type guy for '17. it's like he's pushing Brennan out the door.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:23 am to SportTiger1
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Whats the perfect offense for LSU?
A pro-style offense, IMO. Jimbo Fisher's offense or USC's offense under Pete Carroll seem like the best examples of what I'd like to see LSU run.
I know LSU will end up with a spread approach, but it's not my preference. As long as they continue to run the ball with physicality, I'll be happy.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:28 am to SportTiger1
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If you could build the perfect OC to match with what LSU already has in place, what would it look like?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:30 am to SportTiger1
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there is something to be said for a little more clock control to keep your defense fresh
yep
In a perfect world I would like our offense to spread the field with 4 wides and run/pass with the best offenses in the land but I would also like to run out of the I when we have built a good lead and just break their defense with a power running game...bottom line I want to keep the ability to run with power but also be able to spread the field and have a dynamic offense.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:34 am to SportTiger1
Pro power and spread like the Patriots run without a mobile QB and/or the Pro power and spread like the Seahawks use to utilize the mobility of Wilson. I don't like Urban's offense nor to I think the Briles Air Raid style is good for us.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:07 am to SportTiger1
Agree w/ Power Spread like OSU runs.
We are beefy in the middle and explosive on the outside. It's time we started taking advantage of that. If we have dangerous athletes spreading the field on the outside, I have no doubt we will be able to run out of spread formations with 4 wide and single back.
We are beefy in the middle and explosive on the outside. It's time we started taking advantage of that. If we have dangerous athletes spreading the field on the outside, I have no doubt we will be able to run out of spread formations with 4 wide and single back.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:10 am to SportTiger1
One that would have had #5 & #7 on the field at the same damn time. Two of the top 25 football players in the country and one is on the sideline at all times. Talk about dumb...
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:08 pm to SportTiger1
This is certainly fun to talk about, in light of both the tremendous amount of talent we routinely see coming through the La. HS ranks. Its also that we as fans are hopeful to finally see our talent utilized properly, and help us win games that we have lost in the past due to poor coaching, development, field discipline, and just overall poor management.
La. always pumps out top notch RBs, great skill athletes with an abundance of speed, and great DLmen. We do seem to be a little thin, at times, at producing QBs, OLmen, and LBs. We are able to utilize enough of the talent we recruit at LSU, to keep top notch defenses, and with a quality coordinator such as Aranda, we should continue prowess on defense.
So, now back to offense... It would be great to run an offense that compliments our defense. Basically, anything other than an Air Raid, would qualify. Considering the caliber of RB we seem to keep getting, we could be / should be, a team that keeps at least a balanced attack, with a downhill type of running game. We do, though, have speed in the WR areas, so utilizing them properly within the passing game would be great. Also, using our speed to stretch defenses horizontally, would be of benefit. It would definitely compliment a good downhill running game, forcing defenses to spread out and play more of an assignment type of defensive football. Using jet and rocket motion would also stress defenders into the point of occasionally forcing a missed assignment, thus leading to a big play. Also, pre-snap movements will tip coaches and a well-coached QB, as it often forces defenses to sort of "tip their hand" before the play is made.
All of this can be done, with a balanced type of tempo. Sure, we could occasionally run a series or two of HUNH offense just to throw a wrench at the defense, but running this throughout an entire game can often cause more problems (lack of rest of our own defense) as much as it helps.
Certainly, developing a productive QB is important. Blending a potent downhill running game, along with perimeter / horizontal stressors, misdirection, etc. can all be done within the confines of a productive passing offense.
I think this is what Matt Canada has been flying high on the radar for many. His QBs are ultra productive, while he utilizes a lot of downhill running, AND end-arounds, fake end-arounds, and other horizontal challenges to the defenses he faces.
It's fun to talk about... Hopefully and prayerfully, Alleva and O will make the right hire.
We as fans, remain hopeful...
La. always pumps out top notch RBs, great skill athletes with an abundance of speed, and great DLmen. We do seem to be a little thin, at times, at producing QBs, OLmen, and LBs. We are able to utilize enough of the talent we recruit at LSU, to keep top notch defenses, and with a quality coordinator such as Aranda, we should continue prowess on defense.
So, now back to offense... It would be great to run an offense that compliments our defense. Basically, anything other than an Air Raid, would qualify. Considering the caliber of RB we seem to keep getting, we could be / should be, a team that keeps at least a balanced attack, with a downhill type of running game. We do, though, have speed in the WR areas, so utilizing them properly within the passing game would be great. Also, using our speed to stretch defenses horizontally, would be of benefit. It would definitely compliment a good downhill running game, forcing defenses to spread out and play more of an assignment type of defensive football. Using jet and rocket motion would also stress defenders into the point of occasionally forcing a missed assignment, thus leading to a big play. Also, pre-snap movements will tip coaches and a well-coached QB, as it often forces defenses to sort of "tip their hand" before the play is made.
All of this can be done, with a balanced type of tempo. Sure, we could occasionally run a series or two of HUNH offense just to throw a wrench at the defense, but running this throughout an entire game can often cause more problems (lack of rest of our own defense) as much as it helps.
Certainly, developing a productive QB is important. Blending a potent downhill running game, along with perimeter / horizontal stressors, misdirection, etc. can all be done within the confines of a productive passing offense.
I think this is what Matt Canada has been flying high on the radar for many. His QBs are ultra productive, while he utilizes a lot of downhill running, AND end-arounds, fake end-arounds, and other horizontal challenges to the defenses he faces.
It's fun to talk about... Hopefully and prayerfully, Alleva and O will make the right hire.
We as fans, remain hopeful...
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:43 pm to SportTiger1
Pro Style with a Killer Fullback
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:41 pm to SportTiger1
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Whats the perfect offense for LSU?
For the fans- One that gets the back up QB in the game.
For me-Pro style that spreads the field. A QB that can escape the pocket while looking down field. I don't think a QB running is ideal in the SEC.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:42 pm to SportTiger1
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Whats the perfect offense for LSU?
Matt Canada offense. True story, when Canada was asked what type of offense he likes to run he replied, "the kind that puts up points." Made me laugh. Basically saying I'll do whatever i have to do to adapt to my players. He has run pro-spread and pro style at different universities and been successful. This dude needs to be hired ASAP!
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:51 pm to SportTiger1
perfect offense would probably be the pistol or a WVU-style offense from the 2007 era
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:51 pm to SportTiger1
the offense Lincoln Riley runs at OU; thus, my hope he somehow does not get hired at UH, which is probably a futile wish.
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