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re: should a job give you back the days you missed due to the flooding?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:48 pm to jbgleason
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:48 pm to jbgleason
quote:Yup
can tell who has either owned a business or worked in management at a high enough level to see the income statements and who gets paid by the hour just from the responses in this thread.
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Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:55 pm to Ex-Popcorn
quote:
businesses do not have the ability to pay workers when no work is being done. Workers generate income that allows workers to get paid. You have no idea how many small businesses are going to go under because of this event.
Works both ways, chief. You make someone go a week without a paycheck in a disaster and expect them to come back and be productive to make you money.
But I'm sure you also tell your exempt employees to go on home when they hit that 40-45 hr mark every week, right? I mean all that free work time people rack up throughout the year can't be reciprocated during a natural disaster?
GMAFB
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:59 pm to jbgleason
quote:
It cuts both ways. Is it the type of business where employees do things that aren't required to help the company?
I have had both types of employees, ones that bend over backwards and act like the company is theirs (do anything for them) and the ones that are out the door at 4:59 every day no matter what. The latter are good folks and all but they are employees and not part of the family.
As an employer, i have both of those too. The ones that are willing to go a little extra are appreciated and are the ones that I invite to do side work with me on weekends where they make a couple hundred for a 5 to 8 hour day. I did one a month ago or so and the guys made 200 a head for about 4 hours of work. The other 3 guys on my crew complained I didn't invite them to go with us but all they do is bitch about work when we are there and are the last ones in the morning and the first ones out in the afternoon.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:01 pm to elprez00
quote:It's like you didn't even read.
Works both ways, chief. You make someone go a week without a paycheck in a disaster and expect them to come back and be productive to make you money
For many smaller businesses, the lack of work means THEY DON'T HAVE THE frickING MONEY EITHER!
Salaries don't come from unicorn farts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:13 pm to ShortyRob
So you mean to tell me a business can't afford to float 3 days of an employees wages? And the original premise of the thread was "should employees have to use PTO." So if you don't pay me, and I take PTO, then you still have to pay me. So your argument is useless
I can't see a situation where a sound business, even one 100% hourly labor, can't pay wages of a couple of days. And if that's the case, then they probably don't have a very large payroll and they also probably deal primarily in retail. So if you're a counter clerk at Starbucks and they don't pay you for a disaster, you can certainly find a job doing that somewhere else.
But if you're a cleaning company, you recognize that A: I need good trained people and B: I'm about to get a shitload of work. So you tide your people over with the understanding tha you're about to make a bunch of money.
And like I said before, if you're a company large enough to have salaried employees, then I really doubt you are making sure your people aren't pulling 50-60 hr weeks without providing extra compensation for them.
I can't see a situation where a sound business, even one 100% hourly labor, can't pay wages of a couple of days. And if that's the case, then they probably don't have a very large payroll and they also probably deal primarily in retail. So if you're a counter clerk at Starbucks and they don't pay you for a disaster, you can certainly find a job doing that somewhere else.
But if you're a cleaning company, you recognize that A: I need good trained people and B: I'm about to get a shitload of work. So you tide your people over with the understanding tha you're about to make a bunch of money.
And like I said before, if you're a company large enough to have salaried employees, then I really doubt you are making sure your people aren't pulling 50-60 hr weeks without providing extra compensation for them.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:40 pm to tduecen
The company that I work for continues to pay the affected employees and does not charge them for their time off. They have also offered housing assistance and zero percent loans to those employees. For Katrina, they went even beyond that.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:52 pm to MLCLyons
quote:
I'd say it depends on the business. Small "mom and pop" places likely would not be able to pay everyones income without any revenue generated, but a large company should definitely at least pretend they care about their employees.
WTF is this supposed to even mean?? Just because you're a large company doesn't mean you have free money to give out. Unbelievable. I have 250 employees under me. If I gave them all pay for last week without any production, where does that $250,000 come from? Please explain your economics to me. Some of you have no f-ing clue about how business works...no clue.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:52 pm to elprez00
quote:
So you mean to tell me a business can't afford to float 3 days of an employees wages? And the original premise of the thread was "should employees have to use PTO." So if you don't pay me, and I take PTO, then you still have to pay me. So your argument is useless
You really don't understand how a business is run and how payrolls work.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:59 pm to MardiGrasCajun
quote:
I have 250 employees under me. If I gave them all pay for last week without any production, where does that $250,000 come from?
You can't afford to pay $250k to your employees? Your company must not be OT baller worthy. How did you even get allowed in here?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm sure the people that lost everything would gladly trade having a few extra paid days off to not have lost everything.
Sometimes life doesn't offer those kind of choices.
I'm sure the business owners would take this same option.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:08 pm to PairofDucks
quote:
should a job give you back the days you missed due to the flooding?
No. They should make you take the days you missed as vacation/personal. If they have vacation or time off planned, then giving them comp days is the right thing to do when they take that vacation. You don't want to get stuck owing an employee vacation days if they quit or get fired.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:18 pm to elprez00
quote:
So you mean to tell me a business can't afford to float 3 days of an employees wages? And the original premise of the thread was "should employees have to use PTO." So if you don't pay me, and I take PTO, then you still have to pay me. So your argument is useless
There's MANY businesses that can't afford to "float 3 days of employees wages."
No revenue for days or weeks, meanwhile the lease is due, fleet insurance due, advertising contracts still due, accounts receivable customers are now underwater...
Well, hell, just pay everyone because elprez00 says we're flush with cash!!
Seems like you should own a biz since you're so brainy (and could be so rich!!)
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:19 pm to tduecen
no
its not a job.
its a company
stockholders?
small business?
You are asking someone else to give you money.
its not a job.
its a company
stockholders?
small business?
You are asking someone else to give you money.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:33 pm to Grassy1
quote:
No revenue for days or weeks, meanwhile the lease is due, fleet insurance due, advertising contracts still du
It's funny you bring these kinds of costs of business up considering a lot of lenders suspend repayment for those affected by natural disasters for at least a few months.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:36 pm to elprez00
quote:What type of business?
So you mean to tell me a business can't afford to float 3 days of an employees wages?
Do you mean to tell me you're so fricking stupid that you can't think of situations where they can't?
quote:Good fricking God. You tards haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.
So if you don't pay me, and I take PTO, then you still have to pay me. So your argument is useless
I've ALREADY BUDGETED to have to pay PTO. If I pay you when you are not using PTO, I will STILL, at some point, have to pay PTO. Are you fricking this simple?
quote:If you were flooded, would you pay the yard guy who won't be cutting your yard during the flood? If not, why not? You obviously could afford it.
I can't see a situation where a sound business, even one 100% hourly labor, can't pay wages of a couple of days.
What a fricking pathetically self entitled batch of pricks Americans have become.
Sure, it would be nice if a company can figure out how to do it financially and if they are large, if they do it because they feel it's right.
But frick you pathetic "we are owed shite" assholes. You can't even be grateful if a company does pay its people because you fricking EXPECT it.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:37 pm to MardiGrasCajun
quote:
WTF is this supposed to even mean?? Just because you're a large company doesn't mean you have free money to give out. Unbelievable. I have 250 employees under me. If I gave them all pay for last week without any production, where does that $250,000 come from? Please explain your economics to me. Some of you have no f-ing clue about how business works...no clue.
Most people seem to think every company is WalMart
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:37 pm to ShortyRob
You sure an angry fella. I bet working for you is a blast.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:40 pm to Grassy1
quote:
meanwhile the lease is due, fleet insurance due, advertising contracts still due, accounts receivable customers are now underwater...
Apparently, these business geniuses can't quite get that your typical small or even mid-sized business operates at pretty thin margins.
But even if they CAN afford it, you should be fricking THANKFUL they CHOOSE to..........not fricking expect it like some goddamned self entitled 5 year old.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:42 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Actually, it is.
You sure an angry fella. I bet working for you is a blast.
But, then again, I don't hire people who demonstrate the self entitled attitude.
Oh, and, if at all possible, I would choose to pay employees in this situation. But, that's not some fricking given and it's not even POSSIBLE for many companies.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 3:44 pm to tduecen
No! Be grateful they didn't fire you for not showing up for work.
It would be uncouth for them to do that but they certainly have that right...as they well should.
It would be uncouth for them to do that but they certainly have that right...as they well should.
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