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The Office: is hating Jim and Pam a popular opinion?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:35 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:35 am
I'm watching The Office for the first time. I'm about half way through season 8, but I know what happens and how the Jim and Pam storyline ends.
Reading around, there seems to be a lot of hate for these two characters. I don't get it. I like their story.
Reading around, there seems to be a lot of hate for these two characters. I don't get it. I like their story.
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:38 am to GetCocky11
quote:Prayers sent.
. I'm about half way through season 8
That's a horrible season.
Ellie Kemper's burgeoning hotness was the only thing that got me through it.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:38 am to GetCocky11
I think more people hate Pam than Jim.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:39 am to GetCocky11
It's annoying, but fairly realistic. That reality can rub people the wrong way.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:54 am to GetCocky11
Are you referring to the other characters in the show hating them or the audience?
Their story got rough but it was a realistic portrayal of a married couple, with children, trying to make a relationship work long distance.
I liked most of that series even after Michael left. I got slightly annoyed at what they turned Andy to, but how he ended up was somewhat fitting. The only addition I actually loathed was the british chippy. Especially what they ended up doing with her at the end. Both my wife and I were appalled, and I don't get that way with shows.
Their story got rough but it was a realistic portrayal of a married couple, with children, trying to make a relationship work long distance.
I liked most of that series even after Michael left. I got slightly annoyed at what they turned Andy to, but how he ended up was somewhat fitting. The only addition I actually loathed was the british chippy. Especially what they ended up doing with her at the end. Both my wife and I were appalled, and I don't get that way with shows.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:56 am to GetCocky11
My impression is people hate the Jim and Pam story arc more than they actually hate the characters. Though I have seen some pretty hateful takedowns of Pam. She's selfish, conniving, etc.
I thought the shoe lost its magic when Jim and Pam got married. Not sure if that's too blame, or they lost some writers or something. It was wildly inconsistent after that. The first 4 seasons were brilliant. Season 4 is where it started turning though. I bailed around season 6.
I thought the shoe lost its magic when Jim and Pam got married. Not sure if that's too blame, or they lost some writers or something. It was wildly inconsistent after that. The first 4 seasons were brilliant. Season 4 is where it started turning though. I bailed around season 6.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:23 am to GetCocky11
Jim chasing Pam was a much better relationship than when they actually got together and got married.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 7:24 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:10 am to GetCocky11
Jim and Pam after marriage is real life...or at least the best portrayal of marriage of an otherwise strong couple that a comedy could pull off without losing the funny.
My lady and I watch The Office at night as we fall asleep and we saw the episode last night where Pam has the baby. Michael calls a meeting while Pam is having contractions in the office and Michael has a list of 10 things that would help speed up the labor process. So his bright idea was to do the exact opposite and the first thing on the list was stimulate the nipples.
So Michael says "Alright, everybody don't think about Pam's nipples...think of Pam's nipples as Toby's grundle".
I laughed so hard I farted.
My lady and I watch The Office at night as we fall asleep and we saw the episode last night where Pam has the baby. Michael calls a meeting while Pam is having contractions in the office and Michael has a list of 10 things that would help speed up the labor process. So his bright idea was to do the exact opposite and the first thing on the list was stimulate the nipples.
So Michael says "Alright, everybody don't think about Pam's nipples...think of Pam's nipples as Toby's grundle".
I laughed so hard I farted.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:52 am to GetCocky11
I'm late to jump in here but my thoughts have already been shared by others.
I don't think people necessarily hated Jim and Pam the people, it was just they became far, far less funny. For years and years we had the whole will they/won't they dynamic which was awesome. When they finally became a couple, we all cheered. Then they got engaged, yay! So then they get married, then they have kids. At that point their arcs don't offer near as much intrigue.
I don't think people necessarily hated Jim and Pam the people, it was just they became far, far less funny. For years and years we had the whole will they/won't they dynamic which was awesome. When they finally became a couple, we all cheered. Then they got engaged, yay! So then they get married, then they have kids. At that point their arcs don't offer near as much intrigue.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:59 am to GetCocky11
They both suck.
Pam is often an unrelenting bitch. She's brutally stupid when dating Roy and then watching Jim date Karen. She gets a little better after her and Jim start dating, but then she gets to be an insanely selfish bitch Especially when the sports agency starts up. Jim supported her throughout her bullshite new York art school phase and she doesn't support him for shite.
Then you throw in the whole weird affair with the mic guy.
Jim is a worthless piece of shite of a husband and father. He constantly and consistently turns down promotions and raises and advancement to remain an average salesmen at a dieing company.
They really are a true to life middle class American love story. I think the realism scared people.
And it's funny to have this discussion mixed gender. Because most guys agree with Jim and most women agree with Pam.
Pam is often an unrelenting bitch. She's brutally stupid when dating Roy and then watching Jim date Karen. She gets a little better after her and Jim start dating, but then she gets to be an insanely selfish bitch Especially when the sports agency starts up. Jim supported her throughout her bullshite new York art school phase and she doesn't support him for shite.
Then you throw in the whole weird affair with the mic guy.
Jim is a worthless piece of shite of a husband and father. He constantly and consistently turns down promotions and raises and advancement to remain an average salesmen at a dieing company.
They really are a true to life middle class American love story. I think the realism scared people.
And it's funny to have this discussion mixed gender. Because most guys agree with Jim and most women agree with Pam.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:02 am to GetCocky11
I just never liked how the dynamic between Jim and Pam shifted after she started working in sales. It gets worse once Jim begins his side project. It's understandable why Pam gets frustrated, but the way it played out was aggravating.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:25 am to GetCocky11
It takes a while, but their relationship eventually moves into the Uncanny Valley. It slides the scale from a fairy tale (fake) to actual romance to a real marriage and your empathy goes up and down right along with it.
When you reach near the end of the show it dawns on you how unlikely their relationship was in the first place. In the real world, Pam would probably have been married to Roy (Because a male, who relates with Jim, would never get the girl) and Jim would have found a better hookup (Because a male who finds another hookup would have pursued said hookup in place of a girl he could never have).
Tie this in with the two of them fighting when our empathy is at our lowest and the comedy goes downhill, and to the viewer the relationship is now something to be hated.
When you get to the end and it appears they're cheating, you don't care because you've lost the immersion and are 99% certain the show writers are playing this for an audience. That's when it's dawned on you it's not real, it's a show, and your empathy goes back up.
When you reach near the end of the show it dawns on you how unlikely their relationship was in the first place. In the real world, Pam would probably have been married to Roy (Because a male, who relates with Jim, would never get the girl) and Jim would have found a better hookup (Because a male who finds another hookup would have pursued said hookup in place of a girl he could never have).
Tie this in with the two of them fighting when our empathy is at our lowest and the comedy goes downhill, and to the viewer the relationship is now something to be hated.
When you get to the end and it appears they're cheating, you don't care because you've lost the immersion and are 99% certain the show writers are playing this for an audience. That's when it's dawned on you it's not real, it's a show, and your empathy goes back up.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:32 am to GetCocky11
Darrell is who I was happiest for. Started at the bottom now he here.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:45 am to GetCocky11
Jim and Pam were doomed from the start. I'm guessing that by now they've split up.
Any relationship built on one partner bird-dogging the other while that other partner is engaged to a third party is pretty fricked up.
Any relationship built on one partner bird-dogging the other while that other partner is engaged to a third party is pretty fricked up.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 6:46 am to GetCocky11
I ended up finishing the entire series last night. I still don't hate Pam or Jim. I think Pam's line of "I wasn't ready yet" regarding Philadelphia was perfectly acceptable.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:36 am to GetCocky11
Yall disappoint me that we are 4 pages in and no one posted a pic of Pam yet...
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:30 am to GetCocky11
I don't "hate" Jim and Pam, I just would have preferred they got about half as much screen time. Sometime around season four I got very tired of them and their narcissism.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 2:39 pm to GetCocky11
They were fine until they had their first baby.
After that, Pam was a huge bitch.
Jim never bothered me.
After that, Pam was a huge bitch.
Jim never bothered me.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:49 pm to GetCocky11
I read through the responses, so my take isn't original, just mine...
I have issues with both - even if this is how some people get their women - Jim constantly hitting on an engaged woman is dick move. Then Pam allowing and enjoying it all along while still engaged is selfish to both Roy and Jim.
But throughout the story arc, Jim is a beta nice guy. Pam never really removes herself from the selfish victim role.
Jim actually had someone that challenged him in Karen, something Pam never did. Every time Jim got close to moving on from Pam, she inserts her selfishness. And Jim was too doe eyed with Pam to say no.
Jim wants Pam way more than Pam wants Jim IMO. And that's my issue with them. I never saw what Pam actually brings to the table for Jim. Jim had enough talent to hit Amy Adams character and Rashida Jones, etc, he wasn't hurting to find a better partner than Pam.
Without Jim, Pam would be 3x divorced riding the pole at 35.
quote:In general, yes. But a lot of women viewers love the Jim character and a lot of men viewers want to nail Pam. Obvious reasons of course.
The Office: is hating Jim and Pam a popular opinion?
I have issues with both - even if this is how some people get their women - Jim constantly hitting on an engaged woman is dick move. Then Pam allowing and enjoying it all along while still engaged is selfish to both Roy and Jim.
But throughout the story arc, Jim is a beta nice guy. Pam never really removes herself from the selfish victim role.
Jim actually had someone that challenged him in Karen, something Pam never did. Every time Jim got close to moving on from Pam, she inserts her selfishness. And Jim was too doe eyed with Pam to say no.
Jim wants Pam way more than Pam wants Jim IMO. And that's my issue with them. I never saw what Pam actually brings to the table for Jim. Jim had enough talent to hit Amy Adams character and Rashida Jones, etc, he wasn't hurting to find a better partner than Pam.
Without Jim, Pam would be 3x divorced riding the pole at 35.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:54 pm to GetCocky11
Honestly I hate both of these assholes.
Jim is about the worst friend in the world. He's a selfish prick and isn't very funny except to anyone but Pam. That alone makes her an a-hole.
Jim is about the worst friend in the world. He's a selfish prick and isn't very funny except to anyone but Pam. That alone makes her an a-hole.
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