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re: Mississippi gov. signs law allowing service denial to gays
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:41 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:41 am to Hog on the Hill
I mean the act of marriage. The courts do have a role in settling divorce disputes
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:41 am to Gradual_Stroke
quote:How does the court know a couple got married if the government didn't somehow certify or record the marriage?
I mean the act of marriage. The courts do have a role in settling divorce disputes
If the courts have any role at all in marriage, even if it's just for a divorce, then suddenly marriage is a government institution.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 7:43 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:42 am to Gradual_Stroke
quote:
I mean the act of marriage. The courts do have a role in settling divorce disputes
I don't see how the government would have a role in settling divorce if they had no involvement in the marriage. What legal authority would they have?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:43 am to Salmon
Divorce disputes involve property claims which the government is involved in
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:45 am to TechDawg2007
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:48 am to Gradual_Stroke
quote:Right, but how does the government know that the two people shared the property? Will they have a contract for every purchase? Will they both have to keep copies of receipts? What documentation will be necessary to prove joint ownership of property?
Divorce disputes involve property claims which the government is involved in
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:53 am to Canard Noir
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it's 2016 and there are still plenty of hicks who believe being gay is a choice. Those same hicks
The left, the party of tolerance, the folks that feel like there are injustices in the world continually belittle and demean folks that disagree with them.
Do you not see what you are doing? Do you not understand why many on the right want to stop your continued march toward your version of utopia.
You can't even talk about the issues without calling someone a hick or insulting them in some other fashion.
Gays are legal in MS. Gays shouldn't want to do business with folks that don't like them. Gays use social media. Businesses will have to choose wisely whether or not to turn away gays. The market will indeed solve this problem. There wouldn't even be a need to have a large gay pride protest in front of the building to try to force a business owner to do things your way.
Find a gay friendly business. Don't do business with businesses that you feel are mean.
Why can't it be this simple? Because of the internet/social media I promise this will all take care of itself.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:10 am to Mr. Misanthrope
quote:
The Section 3. (1)(a) states the purpose of the legislation is to protect a religious organization from government infringement of religious freedom.
But does a shitty job of defining a religious organization:
quote:
(4) "Religious organization" means:
(a) A house of worship, including, but not limited to, churches, synagogues, shrines, mosques and temples;
(b) A religious group, corporation, association, school or educational institution, ministry, order, society or similar entity, regardless of whether it is integrated or affiliated with a church or other house of worship; and
(c) An officer, owner, employee, manager, religious leader, clergy or minister of an entity or organization described in this subsection (4).
So, pretty much any entity that's "religious".
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:50 am to Bdog9090
Lol Mississippi is easily the biggest shithole in the country
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:04 am to bayoumuscle21
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Yea, if I owned a bakery I would sell a regular cake to a homosexual, but not a wedding cake. I don't dislike homosexuals, I just simply disagree with their lifestyle
Well then you're not protected just because you disagree. Unless it's based on religion. And if it's based on Christianity, you better damn well not be making a wedding cake for someone that got divorced and is getting remarried. Unless you want to be intellectually dishonest. Which I'm sure you are
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:20 am to PortCityTiger24
I agree with the bill, but I think it's incomplete in that it should allow the business owners to discriminate against anyone they choose, straight folk included. The risk for turning away potential customers should be the reaction of the customers, not of the law.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:40 am to BigSquirrel
But that's not the intent of the bill
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:45 am to TechDawg2007
Legal reasons aside, the practical effects of the bill are stupid and only furthers Bryant's reputation as a demagogue whose last priority is to bring business to Mississippi.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:52 am to Hog on the Hill
Nice try. The only thing scientific and/or empirical in that article is the correlation between mental illness and LGB behavior.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:07 am to SabiDojo
The only businesses that are interested in coming to MS anyway are only interested in dirt cheap labor and incentives. Funny thing is a few weeks ago Bryant was speaking to college students somewhere (a jr college I think) and asked them to stay in the state when they graduated 
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.Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:15 am to Hog on the Hill
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Sexuality is the same. You can choose not to frick a beautiful woman, but if you're a straight man, you can't choose not to be attracted to a beautiful woman.
It's amazing how people can't make that distinction. Being homosexual is not simply about having sex.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:08 pm to East Coast Band
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Yep. Marriage is a religious event and frankly no marriages should be recognized by a government. Same as a baptism.
Marraige and the idea of the family is tied into to many things not to have some official means of recognizing them
Taxes
Health Insurance
Health Care
Inheritance
and some of these problems can and often are solved by contract, most people don't think of that kind of stuff and contracts get messy often.
Most people die without a will for instance.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:23 pm to roadGator
quote:
The left, the party of tolerance, the folks that feel like there are injustices in the world continually belittle and demean folks that disagree with them. Do you not see what you are doing? Do you not understand why many on the right want to stop your continued march toward your version of utopia. You can't even talk about the issues without calling someone a hick or insulting them in some other fashion.
You don't read too good do you? I made several posts in this thread, all of which should tell anyone that I'm pretty conservative when it comes to government interference.
My biggest issue is that somewhere along the line being a Republican became synonymous with the religious right. This has made the party more and more likely to pass laws based on religious morality which is contrary to their so called, "small government" ideals. It's infuriating and really odd to me that the very people who say they want the government out of their lives are increasingly trying to tell everyone how to live.
FYI, yes, I used the term hicks because it was appropriate here. This law was passed with nothing but intolerance in mind and it was done under the guise of religious morality. It will and should insure that Mississippi will always be dead last in nearly every conceivable category.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:42 pm to Tidrow
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But does a shitty job of defining a religious organization:
My initial impression as well. Given the number of so called para-Church organizations involved in ministry which have no local church or denominational affiliations the act has taken a broad approach in the definition. IMO.
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