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re: Mississippi gov. signs law allowing service denial to gays
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:33 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:33 pm to UpToPar
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There may be one out there, but I'm not aware of it. And if there is one out there, doesn't that have to be balanced against the business owner's right to freely exercise his religious beliefs?
There isn't a specific federal law about gay couple's, but as citizens of the US, they have constitutional rights. At one time, people of different races were not afforded any constitutional protections; that changed, and considering the culture today, it's not out of line to think that homosexuals will be considered a protected class in the near future.
And I've said all along that the store owners rights are important. It's in my original post at the top of page 4.
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:36 pm to CarRamrod
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i agree with this. Which is why i hate that cities can mandate private business from allowing legal acts like smoking.
Gays are gross. Smokers are gross. People who smoke are gay.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:38 pm to MoonrakerElite
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This is about the state acting and passing a law which potentially abridges the rights of Us citizens.
Right, which is why the law is a bad idea. What the law should say is that any private business owner may deny service to anyone for any reason. You run into trouble when you start singling out groups.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:41 pm to MoonrakerElite
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There isn't a specific federal law about gay couple's, but as citizens of the US, they have constitutional rights. At one time, people of different races were not afforded any constitutional protections; that changed, and considering the culture today, it's not out of line to think that homosexuals will be considered a protected class in the near future.
But you are confusing rights granted under the constitution designed to protect citizens from the infringement of right by a government with the actions of private businesses.
The 14th amendment does not apply to a private business. If the business receives state funding, sure, but not completely private businesses.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:43 pm to bountyhunter
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That's the new age definition of social acceptance. Force everyone to adhere to your principles at the expense of your own principles. Sorry, our point of view is a dying one unfortunately.
I am not knocking on the homo. I am knocking on the notion that it is okay to run amuck all over business owners (or anyone really) for the 0.75% of the population. It has nothing to do with discrimination or any other "progressive terminology" that incites emotional hatred for anyone who doesn't agree. It's simply that we were founded with a lot of freedoms and people who can't hack it in life want to bitch and down vote
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:44 pm to TechDawg2007
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Thoughts?
Honestly, I think a private entity should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. They shouldn't have to explain themselves or come up with some BS religious freedom argument.
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Individual government employees may also opt out
This part I disagree with. If you work for the government, you should have to serve all citizens in your area of work.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:44 pm to TaderSalad
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Have you read the Constitution at all? This country was founded on freedom to do whatever the hell you feel like doing as long as it doesn't hut anyone/break any laws.
Not issuing marriage licenses breaks the law, as well as hurts people...
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:45 pm to bountyhunter
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The popular opinion that homosexuality is biological and not a psychological/sociological disorder is still heavily debated.
This guy
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:49 pm to TechDawg2007
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law allowing service denial to gays
I support it
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:50 pm to UpToPar
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Right, which is why the law is a bad idea. What the law should say is that any private business owner may deny service to anyone for any reason. You run into trouble when you start singling out groups.
I agree with this completely. The Colorado laws that identify groups and force service are just as bad as the MS law identifying groups that can be denied service.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:52 pm to Signal Soldier
If you don't want to serve them... then don't. If you don't like to frequent places that deny service to gays then don't go there.
Why do you want to frequent a place that pisses you off?
Why do you want to frequent a place that pisses you off?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:53 pm to TechDawg2007
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Thoughts?
It would have a pretty good chance of survival if it didn't allow public employees to be able to use religion to deny gay couples marriage licenses.
Religion has never been a justifiable reason to abdicate public duties acting as a representative of the state. You cannot deny public services to taxpayers on the basis of your religion.
The bill would survive if it just focused on private property rights, private citizens and personal freedom. State actors acting on the public dime and time should have no part in this.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:54 pm to UpToPar
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But you are confusing rights granted under the constitution designed to protect citizens from the infringement of right by a government with the actions of private businesses
And by enacting this law, the state is acting--unlike Colorado, where the issue was (and should have remained) one of private businesses interacting with their customers, the state of MS has "acted" against gay couples with this law.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:59 pm to Jimmy2shoes
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If you don't want to serve them... then don't. If you don't like to frequent places that deny service to gays then don't go there.
Why do you want to frequent a place that pisses you off?
I do business all the time with people who piss me off. Getting away from the stupid bakery analogy: what if the only gas station for 40 miles is owned by a redneck who doesn't want to do business with the homosexual couple who inexplicably chose Mississippi to be their home? What if the only Subaru dealer in Jackson refuses to service Outbacks owned by lesbians?
This law is bad and I can't help but see the irony in those of you who support small government seeing nothing wrong with it.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:01 pm to cwil177
Provide proof that homosexuality is genetically predetermined then you can make the argument that they should be protected on the level of a racial minority. If it's my disposition to not celebrate your lifestyle decisions with you then guess what, find someone who does.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:07 pm to GaryMyMan
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I do business all the time with people who piss me off. Getting away from the stupid bakery analogy: what if the only gas station for 40 miles is owned by a redneck who doesn't want to do business with the homosexual couple who inexplicably chose Mississippi to be their home? What if the only Subaru dealer in Jackson refuses to service Outbacks owned by lesbians? This law is bad and I can't help but see the irony in those of you who support small government seeing nothing wrong with it.
This type of discrimination should be more cut and dry to decide on. The reason the bakery analogy comes up is because the baker was asked to provide a service for a gay wedding ceremony--something their religion specifically prohibits.
a gay couple buying a car for commuting doesn't infringe on someone's religious beliefs.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:07 pm to MoonrakerElite
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And by enacting this law, the state is acting--unlike Colorado, where the issue was (and should have remained) one of private businesses interacting with their customers, the state of MS has "acted" against gay couples with this law.
Right, I wasn't commenting on the passing of the law, I was commenting on the underlying action (denying service based on sexual orientation).
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:09 pm to bountyhunter
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Provide proof that homosexuality is genetically predetermined
So to get it straight (no pun intended), you believe that all gay people made a conscious decision to switch from hetero to gay?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:10 pm to GaryMyMan
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what if the only gas station for 40 miles is owned by a redneck who doesn't want to do business with the homosexual couple who inexplicably chose Mississippi to be their home? What if the only Subaru dealer in Jackson refuses to service Outbacks owned by lesbians?
What if I live in a small town and the only car mechanic in town doesn't like my family and refuses to take my business?
What if a the owner of a maid service hates cats and decided that she does not want to clean any homes with cats. Should The government tell her that she has to clean homes with cats?
When the government starts telling private individuals who they must conduct business with, it's a problem.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 5:14 pm to UpToPar
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Right, I wasn't commenting on the passing of the law, I was commenting on the underlying action (denying service based on sexual orientation
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think any business owner who passes on business for something as stupid as the sexual orientation of a client is beyond retarded.
That said, the Mississippi redneck who believes in this stuff has every right to, and his first amendment rights should be protected--the state should not unilaterally force them to provide services that go against their religion's core, fundamental beliefs.
However, the state should also not unilaterally decide that gay couples, as a whole, can be denied services.
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