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re: tOFFICIAL Pelicans Trade deadline Discussion thread
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
This organization is a shite show right now.
If Lowe is to be believed and Loomis is having to hold back Demps from trading our draft pick again I want Demps gone by next season....though I wanted him gone last offseason too. This just reinforces it.
If they are really trying to add a different bruiser next to Davis then it also has to be asked, why did we even sign Gentry???
Does Demps have any idea what the heck he is doing? He wants pace and the Warriors system but that requires two way players, great jump shooters and good passers at all five positions that can go small or big to be optimally effective.
You add Howard or Monroe and give them 35 minutes a game, you are looking to play a different type of ball. At least if you want to fit the personnel. So why Gentry then? To me it sounds like you would want a different coach. Like a Thibs or an adaptable guy in the mold of a Carlisle or Pop that builds the system around players. Heck Monty would make more since with a team built around Howard and Davis.
If Lowe is to be believed and Loomis is having to hold back Demps from trading our draft pick again I want Demps gone by next season....though I wanted him gone last offseason too. This just reinforces it.
If they are really trying to add a different bruiser next to Davis then it also has to be asked, why did we even sign Gentry???
Does Demps have any idea what the heck he is doing? He wants pace and the Warriors system but that requires two way players, great jump shooters and good passers at all five positions that can go small or big to be optimally effective.
You add Howard or Monroe and give them 35 minutes a game, you are looking to play a different type of ball. At least if you want to fit the personnel. So why Gentry then? To me it sounds like you would want a different coach. Like a Thibs or an adaptable guy in the mold of a Carlisle or Pop that builds the system around players. Heck Monty would make more since with a team built around Howard and Davis.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:19 am to quail man
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If you're going to castrate Dell, why not let him go? You fire the coach who didn't get along with the GM and now you fire the GM after making shitty moves and hiring a shitty head coach. That's a shitty franchise.
I can see why they don't fire him right now, simply because Loomis doesn't have the time or ability to operate an NBA front office in all aspects. That and being in the position of a critical point in the franchise with even more uncertainty or reaching for a guy without properly vetting the candidates due to time constraints.
With that said everything else you said I agree 100%. The way we have went about decisions at all levels have been bizarre and makes us look like the Kings or Nets.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
Cleveland needs to talk to LAC about Griffin if they're parting with Love.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:27 am to NOLA Bronco
I think they know they are moving on from Dell and don't want to announce it until after the deadline or season.
They will allow him to make small moves or future beneficial moves (adding young players and picks), but not giving up our pick or drastically changing the structure of the franchise.
Once the deadline passes with little movement, it will be announced that they are hiring a consultant for basketball operations (Dumars, most likely). He will be the person to transition and hire a new GM, and take over Loomis's role with the Pels.
They will allow him to make small moves or future beneficial moves (adding young players and picks), but not giving up our pick or drastically changing the structure of the franchise.
Once the deadline passes with little movement, it will be announced that they are hiring a consultant for basketball operations (Dumars, most likely). He will be the person to transition and hire a new GM, and take over Loomis's role with the Pels.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
On top of Dell being the most qualified to run things right now, you also don't want to fire your GM in the middle of season ticket renewals. When you fire him after the season you may only be without a GM for a few weeks. If you fire him now it'd be multiple months before you replaced him if Joe isn't the guy. And if Joe was the guy I think it'd have already happened.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:33 am to Fun Bunch
I hope you are wrong at least about Dumars. I want no part of a guy that seems to still have his head in the past about how organizations should be run.
This isn't 1999 anymore, turning your nose up at things like analytics and modern NBA organizational methods just makes you foolish and an easy target for better organizations. I don't want that guy as the defacto CEO of our team and picking our GM.
This isn't 1999 anymore, turning your nose up at things like analytics and modern NBA organizational methods just makes you foolish and an easy target for better organizations. I don't want that guy as the defacto CEO of our team and picking our GM.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:41 am to TigerinATL
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Nofox posted that he heard Dumars was helping as a draft consultant. If that's true I've been trying to figure out if that means Demps has a new boss or firing Demps is already decided but Joe isn't taking his place. I guessing it's the latter, otherwise they'd just make it official and announce Joe as whatever his title would be.
I do have a minor source in the Pelicans, not on the operations side though. He did indicate Dumars was being consulted. My impression was that if Dell is not let go that Dumars would be consulted with respect to the draft, but that his current role was as a consultant to help Loomis provide proper oversight for Dell since Loomis is not a basketball guy.
The reports from Lowe today indicate to me that other teams feel that Dell is not only restricted from trading our current 1st which I am not sure he would want to anyhow, but also that he is also being restricted from trading future firsts (even if heavily protected). This suggests to me that Dell is being prevented from mortgaging future assets so as not to tie the hands of a future GM.
I agree with TIgerinATL in that if the new GM were going to be Dumars, that change would have occurred. My personal speculation is that they are not firing Dell because they don't want to deal with the PR and logistical mess of having no GM (like the Nets) during the season. I think they will continue to use Dumars as a consultant to help oversee Demps until they fire Demps. The firing of Demps likely depends on his contract.
I do not think Demps is operating with the full autonomy of most GM's. He is being micromanaged after he failed. And his philosophy towards draft picks seems to have been abandoned (likely involuntarily).
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:10 pm to Mystictiger
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Fully prepared for down votes but what do you all think of this:
NOP:
Kevin Love
Nene
Oubre
CLE:
Eric Gordon
Omer Asik (they were interested in him)
WAS:
Ryan Anderson
Varejao
I got a success on the trade machine if it matters.
I think you should toss in 2 magical unicorns and see if it still works.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:14 pm to NOFOX
Interesting. I definitely want to keep this year's pick, but never say never. What if Middleton was available, for instance?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:34 pm to Solo
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Interesting. I definitely want to keep this year's pick, but never say never. What if Middleton was available, for instance?
What if the Thunder offered us KD? What if we get the 1st pick? I think trades that are available at the deadline for the pick will also be avilable in the offseason. I do not think the Bucks are offering Middleton for our first alone.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:46 pm to NOFOX
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Pratik Patel ?@PatelESPN 20m20 minutes ago
More reports of #Bucks-#Pelicans talks. Would likely be centered around Monroe for Jrue, but not sure why NOPE would do that...
Dear god please no
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:52 pm to Cap Crunch
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Allen Rush ?@SportCircuit_AR 4m4 minutes ago
The Bucks & Pelicans are working on a trade that would send Greg Monroe to the Pelicans and Ryan Anderson to the Bucks
Not sure if this dude has any credibility or not.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:52 pm to NOFOX
Bucks are blowing it up, so take the funny KD stuff elsewhere. It's been alluded to that KM could be had for the right price. My point is, I want us to be flexible.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:53 pm to Cap Crunch
That sounds horrible.
Now, back to my laundry.
Now, back to my laundry.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:54 pm to Toula
quote:Hope not. I would rather a young player with a future rather than another guy that does not fit Gentry's system.
Not sure if this dude has any credibility or not.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:56 pm to Cap Crunch
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Dear god please no
That really depends. What if he came cheap and he's essentially on a one year deal with his player option in 2 years? You get to try him out for a year, a year in which you'd in theory take a step back losing Ryno for future assets and having a not ready for prime time draft pick starting.
I know some of TBW guys are going back and forth on twitter about how the Bucks would want a lot for Monroe, but he's basically Josh Smithed them, so they might be ready to move on. They were a top 5 defense last year, now they are bottom 5. Would Monroe for either Gordon and sweetener (Ish 2nds?) or maybe trying to fix the defense that Zaza helped anchor with something like Asik and Cunningham and Ish 2nds be completely crazy? If other teams are scared of Monroe tanking their defense they may not have much interest in him. I agree I wouldn't trade a significant asset for him, but Gordon and 2nds or using 2nds to move Asik is something I'd do.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:56 pm to Toula
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Allen Rush
108 followers
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:58 pm to TigerinATL
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Would Monroe for either Gordon and sweetener (Ish 2nds?) or maybe trying to fix the defense that Zaza helped anchor with something like Asik and Cunningham and Ish 2nds be completely crazy?
I'd be ok with that but Monroe for Jrue? No thanks
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:59 pm to Cap Crunch
Bringing in Monroe would likely mean both Dmps and Gentry are gone next season. He doesn't fit either of their visions. I also wouldn't be surprised (if true) if Reke replaces Jrue in the final trade. Jrue would demolish their tank, plus Reke has fewer long-term injury question marks.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:00 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I would bet our offer would be Anderson and Asik for Monroe
That really depends. What if he came cheap and he's essentially on a one year deal with his player option in 2 years? You get to try him out for a year, a year in which you'd in theory take a step back losing Ryno for future assets and having a not ready for prime time draft pick starting. I know some of TBW guys are going back and forth on twitter about how the Bucks would want a lot for Monroe, but he's basically Josh Smithed them, so they might be ready to move on. They were a top 5 defense last year, now they are bottom 5. Would Monroe for either Gordon and sweetener (Ish 2nds?) or maybe trying to fix the defense that Zaza helped anchor with something like Asik and Cunningham and Ish 2nds be completely crazy? If other teams are scared of Monroe tanking their defense they may not have much interest in him. I agree I wouldn't trade a significant asset for him, but Gordon and 2nds or using 2nds to move Asik is something I'd do.
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