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Kevin Sumlin direct quote. LSU related
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:06 pm
in this mornings' Houston Chronicle, Sumlin quotes.."we need to examine what we're doing schematically".
this is after rushing for 31 yds yesterday. (1.3 yds per carry). also, his offense had only 8 first downs and was 19-31 for 141 yds.
similarly, West Virginia (of all teams) virtually shut down the high powered #1 Baylor offense. per the Baylor QB...."they loaded the box and pressed our receivers"
it appears that this almighty spread offense can be dismantled or near so (like we did against A&M last year). when they can't pass or get no yds after the catch of one of their "dink" passes they are dead in the water. one trick ponies.
for you guys just cryin' to adopt the spread running the football is where it's at. sure, you need a passing game too but if you can't run the football you aren't going to beat the top teams.
my point: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SCHEME LSU RUNS. our execution has been lacking but seems to be getting better.
this is after rushing for 31 yds yesterday. (1.3 yds per carry). also, his offense had only 8 first downs and was 19-31 for 141 yds.
similarly, West Virginia (of all teams) virtually shut down the high powered #1 Baylor offense. per the Baylor QB...."they loaded the box and pressed our receivers"
it appears that this almighty spread offense can be dismantled or near so (like we did against A&M last year). when they can't pass or get no yds after the catch of one of their "dink" passes they are dead in the water. one trick ponies.
for you guys just cryin' to adopt the spread running the football is where it's at. sure, you need a passing game too but if you can't run the football you aren't going to beat the top teams.
my point: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SCHEME LSU RUNS. our execution has been lacking but seems to be getting better.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
Agree, our scheme is fine, we just need improved QB play.
ETA: And I think our guys will BOTH improve
ETA: And I think our guys will BOTH improve
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:09 pm to LSU GrandDad
I don't disagree buy this thread won't go well.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:13 pm to LSU GrandDad
Agreed. One doesn't have to be a football genius to have seen the missed blocks and poor execution of the offense in general. It has been mentioned here a ton, but when whatever QB that is playing can progress to the 2nd and 3rd option while they are still open, every aspect will change for the better. The receivers are very capable of getting open, the problem is getting the QB to see them at the right time.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:13 pm to LSU GrandDad
What happened when our rushing attack got bogged down against auburn?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:14 pm to LSU GrandDad
Let me stick my finger in the air and see which way the bandwagon is blowing...
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
There's nothing new under the sun in football. The "innovative" spread is just a variation on the Single Wing of the early 20th century. Every offense can be stopped, and every defense can be beaten. It's all about personnel and execution.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
I don't lime our scheme but I understand why we use it
We just don't have a functional QB and I think despite Les' post game comments recognizes this
We run the power I with 2 TEs and overly simplistic pass plays because that is all our QBs can be reasonably expected to execute. And they barely do even that
We saw good balanced offense last year when we had a good qb
Our scheme is fine when we have a good qb. No scheme is good when we have bad qbs
We just don't have a functional QB and I think despite Les' post game comments recognizes this
We run the power I with 2 TEs and overly simplistic pass plays because that is all our QBs can be reasonably expected to execute. And they barely do even that
We saw good balanced offense last year when we had a good qb
Our scheme is fine when we have a good qb. No scheme is good when we have bad qbs
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
I love what we want to do. I dont love how we go about trying to do it. We can run the ball and be physical and be more diverse out of different looks to help decompress the stacked boxes we see in the vaunted max protect i formation.
Get jennings on the move more. Run some zon read early. and feed the melvin.
Get jennings on the move more. Run some zon read early. and feed the melvin.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:18 pm to LSU GrandDad
We ran the ball on every 1st and 10 play. There is something wrong with that.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:26 pm to LSU GrandDad
Yep
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:36 pm to LSU GrandDad
Great time to make your point.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
I agree with this part...
How absurd is it to paint your dissenters to hold the opinion that it is impossible to beat the spread if you just follow a few simple guidelines, which anyone can enact perfectly? No one is claiming that! Of course a spread offense run with bad players, bad play calling, bad execution etc. is going to fail on occasion. The argument is not that switching to the spread will suddenly make LSU some unstoppable force, impossible to be contended with again in this decade. It's simply that they believe it increase our chances of success, that's it. So picking 3 examples out of maybe a thousand games to disprove the spread is an asinine assertion. You must know that there are at least as many examples of spread offenses beating good teams. Or for that matter, running teams losing to good ones. Just zero reason to believe the evidence you present is any indication of a trend as opposed to a simple result of the law of large numbers
But I reiterate, I agree with your conclusion.
quote:But this is a stupid argument for it…
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SCHEME LSU RUNS.
quote:You realize that you have chosen 3 examples of spread offenses failing over the last 2 years, right? And you realize there are over 100 teams in the FBS, and they each play 12 games a year, right?
in this mornings' Houston Chronicle, Sumlin quotes.."we need to examine what we're doing schematically".
this is after rushing for 31 yds yesterday. (1.3 yds per carry). also, his offense had only 8 first downs and was 19-31 for 141 yds.
similarly, West Virginia (of all teams) virtually shut down the high powered #1 Baylor offense. per the Baylor QB...."they loaded the box and pressed our receivers"
it appears that this almighty spread offense can be dismantled or near so (like we did against A&M last year). when they can't pass or get no yds after the catch of one of their "dink" passes they are dead in the water. one trick ponies.
for you guys just cryin' to adopt the spread running the football is where it's at. sure, you need a passing game too but if you can't run the football you aren't going to beat the top teams.
How absurd is it to paint your dissenters to hold the opinion that it is impossible to beat the spread if you just follow a few simple guidelines, which anyone can enact perfectly? No one is claiming that! Of course a spread offense run with bad players, bad play calling, bad execution etc. is going to fail on occasion. The argument is not that switching to the spread will suddenly make LSU some unstoppable force, impossible to be contended with again in this decade. It's simply that they believe it increase our chances of success, that's it. So picking 3 examples out of maybe a thousand games to disprove the spread is an asinine assertion. You must know that there are at least as many examples of spread offenses beating good teams. Or for that matter, running teams losing to good ones. Just zero reason to believe the evidence you present is any indication of a trend as opposed to a simple result of the law of large numbers
But I reiterate, I agree with your conclusion.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:I am beginning to be persuaded as to the truth of this statement.
my point: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SCHEME LSU RUNS. our execution has been lacking but seems to be getting better.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:14 pm to LSU GrandDad
The scheme we are running right now can work against average to below average teams with our talent. And there is nothing wrong with that.
But it has to be tweaked against good teams or we'll end up with Auburn or State again (though I do believe our D is really improving along with our O-line).
But it has to be tweaked against good teams or we'll end up with Auburn or State again (though I do believe our D is really improving along with our O-line).
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:20 pm to LSU GrandDad
There is something wrong with the scheme LSU runs. The I formation, run run pass punt, scheme is not a good one but that doesn't mean we need to go to the spread. We should go to a more pro style offense, with the QB in the shotgun, 2-3 WR sets, 1 or 2 RB's in the backfield, and 1 TE. One that balances the pass with the run. One that doesn't believe that you have to get the run game going in order to set up the pass. One that is as likely to throw on 1st down as it is to run. ONe where down and distance aren't the sole criteria for whether or not we run or pass. One that tries to distribute the ball. ONe like the pros run and pretty much every other college team. But the air raid spread like Texas A&M and some other teams run would not be a good move for LSU. I don't recall any fans on this board calling for that though. We need to put the QB's in a better position to get some semblance of a passing game going. Going to be tough to beat teams like Ole Miss and especially Alabama doing what we are currently doing on offense.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:29 pm to LSU GrandDad
We will need to pass for more than 121 yards to beat the good teams pops.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:53 pm to LSU GrandDad
My only complaint is it is my opinion that we should be using more shotgun and pistol formations. You can do the same things scheme wise from these formations. It spreads the field and reduces the times that teams can just stack the line of scrimmage. Creates space for our players. It also would enhance the ability to throw little dump passes to the backs and bubble screens to the receivers. Easy passes for our QBs to complete.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 8:00 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:for the record, Freeze said something very similar in an interview recently. However, it seems that he has already made that shift. For Ole Miss a partial (which is what they did) or a complete change in how they call/manage the game is made much easier by a good defense. Something Sumlin lacks.
in this mornings' Houston Chronicle, Sumlin quotes.."we need to examine what we're doing schematically".
Posted on 10/19/14 at 8:12 pm to LSU GrandDad
Did not mean to down vote. I got a case of the fat fingers!! Subtract one from that total sir. 
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