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Posted on 9/1/14 at 2:39 pm to upgrayedd
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Why do people still hold on to the romantic thought that they can actually posses private property? The government owns everything including your children.
They didn't build that child!
Posted on 9/1/14 at 2:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The British NHS is very strict on providing treatment if they believe the person will die anyway.
At least in this country, we would have the brightest mind in the world making that type of decision. LINK
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:17 pm to Lsut81
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If the current attempts at treatment are not working and there is a chance that this proton therapy could, then the parents should have every right to seek it out.
Yeah, but that seems to be the opposite of this situation. Based on the article, the boy has a 70-80% chance of 5 year survival with the standard radiation treatment, and the doc believes he may not be a suitable candidate for the proton therapy (even if available).
Why they have rejected a treatment plan that provides for a good prognosis, in pursuit of an alternate course, is puzzling, based on the information in the article.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:23 pm to bendellee
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Based on the article, the boy has a 70-80% chance of 5 year survival with the standard radiation treatment, and the doc believes he may not be a suitable candidate for the proton therapy (even if available).
They updated the article.... NONE of that info was in the original one that I read and posted.
Then yes, seems kind of asinine to pull him away from treatment that has such a high success rate.
Can he not get the proton therapy at the same time as the current treatment
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:04 pm to Lsut81
So the gov't run healthcare in England said that proton therapy would not work for the child there and the parents decided to take the child to Spain and the state got pissed and stopped them and took the child away fom her parents?
That's what is happening here?
frick. Single payer supporters, this is what you would be getting here in this country too if you had your way you sick and demented assholes.
frick you.
That's what is happening here?
frick. Single payer supporters, this is what you would be getting here in this country too if you had your way you sick and demented assholes.
frick you.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:29 pm to Sentrius
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So the gov't run healthcare in England said that proton therapy would not work for the child there and the parents decided to take the child to Spain and the state got pissed and stopped them and took the child away fom her parents?
That's what is happening here?
I think thats a pretty gross simplification, Sentrius. From what I gather, it seems as if this child's cancer is pretty responsive to conventional radiation treatment, but for some reason (and this is what I really want to know) the parents would rather go for more "radical" proton therapy against doctors advice. I think this situation brings up interesting ethical considerations when it comes to parent's (potentially) making unwise health decisions that could significantly impact their children.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:43 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Well in all fairness, we don't have the information to know whether this kid was a good candidate for this therapy. Just because it works for some doesn't mean its good for everybody. Something tells me thats the point of contention that started all this.
In general, barring very obvious neglect, this kind of power should not exist by the government, nor in by medical personnel.
Assuming the parents found another qualified medical facility to place their child in, the former Dr. should have absolutely no say beyond that...no matter how strong of an opinion they have.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:52 pm to Lsut81
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Can he not get the proton therapy at the same time as the current treatment
No, they're both radiation therapies...
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:52 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Well in all fairness, we don't have the information to know whether this kid was a good candidate for this therapy. Just because it works for some doesn't mean its good for everybody. Something tells me thats the point of contention that started all this.
Doesn't matter. A doctor should have no say in what treatment a parent wants to get their child and a doctor should not have the ability to get the state to intervene and force his preconceived notions on the parents.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:59 pm to Sentrius
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Doesn't matter. A doctor should have no say in what treatment a parent wants to get their child and a doctor should not have the ability to get the state to intervene and force his preconceived notions on the parents.
I think there are exceptions to this. For example, I think someone should step in if a child has a serious, yet treatable, condition and parents opt to "pray it away."
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:16 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Like moneyg said, that would be obvious and severe neglect and would qualify as child abuse and would pass muster and scrutiny.
Parents and doctors having different opinions is not neglect/child abuse and the state should have no role in such a dispute.
Parents and doctors having different opinions is not neglect/child abuse and the state should have no role in such a dispute.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:07 pm to Lsut81
They should come to the U.S. without health insurance and see how many proton beams they can get.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:22 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:30% mortality, and significant chance of neuro-cognative brain damage from radiation is the reason. The medical spokesperson(s) feeding the author information are being a smidgen misleading in the presentation.
but for some reason (and this is what I really want to know) the parents would rather go for more "radical" proton therapy
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:28 pm to SpidermanTUba
What if they could just pay for it without insurance. The people that took this child from their parents deserve to be raped and then hanged in public IMO
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:08 pm to Lsut81
i just read numerous other news stories on this and they were utterly pathetic. leaving out the most relevant parts of the story--and some of these were updated as recently as a few hours ago.
one story tried to make it sound like they were refusing medical treatment because they're Jehovah's Witnesses--bullshite.
that one and others didn't even mention proton therapy.
whether i agree with these parents or not, i would go totally nuts if i were in their position.
one story tried to make it sound like they were refusing medical treatment because they're Jehovah's Witnesses--bullshite.
that one and others didn't even mention proton therapy.
whether i agree with these parents or not, i would go totally nuts if i were in their position.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
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They should come to the U.S. without health insurance and see how many proton beams they can get.
resident idiot doing resident idiot things.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:TUba, what is the moral difference between being denied healthcare due to affordability, and being denied healthcare due to a government decision?
They should come to the U.S. without health insurance and see how many proton beams they can get.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:51 am to Lsut81
There are no proton centers in the UK, so that also played a role.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:11 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The people that took this child from their parents deserve to be raped and then hanged in public IMO
You have a sick mind.
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