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re: St George leaders avoid answering questions from their constituents
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:24 pm to Sprocket46
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:24 pm to Sprocket46
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They tried. In the beginning, we were "nobodys" and ignored. By the time we made waves the city was already working them. It was never an oversight.
I guessed as much Sprockets.
BTW, what could SG promise the mall people? Or more importantly, what did Daniels promise the mall people?
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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If they never had a commitment from the mall and even knew that the city was "working on them" then they never should have included the mall in their petition in the first place.
You aren't keeping up.
Never including them in the petition in the first place just guarantees they didn't get the revenue.
The issue is whether or not they aggressively pursued the Mall and offered a "guarantee" of what the tax situation would be.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:27 pm to heartbreakTiger
Hindsight is 20/20 but your points are well taken.
One thing to remember is that they are regular citizens, many with real jobs; and on the other hand they are fighting City Hall and all that comes with it.
It is an enormous undertaking to try what they did and when they started I would bet they didn't envision any of this.
One thing to remember is that they are regular citizens, many with real jobs; and on the other hand they are fighting City Hall and all that comes with it.
It is an enormous undertaking to try what they did and when they started I would bet they didn't envision any of this.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:31 pm to moneyg
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You aren't keeping up.
Never including them in the petition in the first place just guarantees they didn't get the revenue.
The issue is whether or not they aggressively pursued the Mall and offered a "guarantee" of what the tax situation would be.
I am keeping up. They didn't have the foresight to see BR annexing the property and potentially invalidating the entire petition. If they didn't have the mall's commitment, including them was a huge risk.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I am keeping up.
No, you weren't.
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They didn't have the foresight to see BR annexing the property and potentially invalidating the entire petition
The invalidation of the petition is not the important aspect of this. They need the revenue.
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If they didn't have the mall's commitment, including them was a huge risk.
See above.
Furthermore, not only do are you focusing on a less important aspect of the mall requesting annexation, you missed the point that was being discussed. Some here suggested that St. George leaders were incompetent in not attempting to work with the Mall and discuss how the tax situation would work.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:50 pm to moneyg
Ok bud. If you can't even admit it was a risk to include them without any type of commitment then I can't help you. If they lacked leadership in the beginning to talk to the mall, they could have hired an independent economist and asked Heck or White to go with them. It could have happened if Browning and Rainy had planned better.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:58 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It could have happened if Browning and Rainy had planned better.
From what I understand the DOJ just doesn't let you carve up unincorporated areas wherever you desire. You have to have some kind of geographical boundaries to pass muster and to get past the Feds.
The area for the city was chosen because it includes the two fire districts in the SE and Southern parts of EBR; East Side and the larger St. George.
The Mall of La. is well inside St. George as is the BRGH. Other properties such as Costco and Celtic straddled the line. They are different. So is the Tau Center which is adjacent to the city limits but owned by OLOL Reg. Med. Center which is inside the city limits.
Others here reported that SG leadership tried to meet Mall representatives without any luck. That makes sense, but I can't prove it but it might not have made a different.
Now SG could have decided to pick different boundary lines. Maybe one side of I-10 for instance, but that would mean splitting SGFD, and losing out on big revenue producers on the other side of I-10.
And maybe most importantly, people living on the other side of I-10 in the large unincorporated neighborhoods there may have wanted in the new school district.
I don't know if Browning and the others thought this out, but I'd like to hear their side of why they chose the area they chose.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:59 pm to doubleb
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owe the city-parish an apology. I'm sorry Kip
I thought so. My sister is an engineer for DOTD in bridge maintenance. You'd be shocked how many bridges are under their purview.
They are finally starting to give parishes more control, to her delight.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:59 pm to LSURussian
So they pulled a Kip? Said everything while saying nothing. Nothing new to BR politics.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Ok bud. If you can't even admit it was a risk to include them without any type of commitment then I can't help you.
I'm telling you that there was no option not to include them. If you can't figure that out, well, that's on you.
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If they lacked leadership in the beginning to talk to the mall, they could have hired an independent economist and asked Heck or White to go with them.
Again, you aren't keeping up. If you want to make the case that they failed to get the Mall's attention and/or couldn't compete with Baton Rouge then I think that's fair.
But, your point that they should have left the mall out of the petition is waaaay off the mark. And, that was your point...which is why I said you weren't keeping up.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 5:14 pm to doubleb
If you know any of the St. George organizers, please extend my thanks to them for their extraordinary efforts to try and improve our failed school system. I don't know them but would like to meet them and thank them personally one day. I'm sure they understood there would be opposition from BR residents that benefit from St. George tax dollars, but no one could have predicted the tactics they have employed. For everyone second guessing them, there any many people like me in our community that appreciate their efforts.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 5:15 pm to LSURussian
So did anything get answered last night?
btw, who are the "leaders" of the SG Movement? What is their background?
Sounds like they have botched this whole thing and would make Daryl Issa very proud
btw, who are the "leaders" of the SG Movement? What is their background?
Sounds like they have botched this whole thing and would make Daryl Issa very proud
Posted on 5/7/14 at 5:20 pm to Godfather1
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Once the Juban Crossing development becomes up and operational, that mall is going to become Cortana Mall Redux...more of a liability than an asset.
I know this has been covered already, but... holy shite, this might just be the dumbest thing I've seen on the internet today. And I went to yahoo news.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 5:24 pm to moneyg
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But, your point that they should have left the mall out of the petition is waaaay off the mark. And, that was your point...which is why I said you weren't keeping up.
The SG people have said that even without the revenue from the Mall, they can still make things work. It was a risk keeping the mall in the petition. There was an option to not include them whether you wish to believe that or not.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 5:52 pm to tdg
Amen
Great post
Great post
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:08 pm to Sprocket46
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You couldn't be more wrong. You are guessing,at best.
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I suspect
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:11 pm to moneyg
quote:You just called Lionel Rainey, The Third, a liar. He has said the loss of the Mall's revenue would not be a big deal. They would just refuse to pay legacy costs.
You aren't keeping up.
Never including them in the petition in the first place just guarantees they didn't get the revenue.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:15 pm to tom
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Once the Juban Crossing development becomes up and operational, that mall is going to become Cortana Mall Redux...more of a liability than an asset.
I know this has been covered already, but... holy shite, this might just be the dumbest thing I've seen on the internet today. And I went to yahoo news.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:20 pm to tdg
quote:I predicted the annexation of the Mall of Louisiana LAST YEAR. That was a no brainer. (in before someone says since I could predict it, it obviously was a no brainer.....
but no one could have predicted the tactics they have employed.
) I also wrote the city and the state government would do whatever they could to keep the capital city's parish from being divided in half. I was derided for posting that.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:28 pm to doubleb
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Now SG could have decided to pick different boundary lines
They picked the current boundary lines because it changed from being about schools to being a power and money grab. They have no place to accuse the city-parish of being greedy.
The original plan was a smaller community school district. People in the small area would have happily supported an ISD tax to fund it.
What you have now is a monstrosity driven by your leaders ambitions. Your leaders failed you, period.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 6:54 pm
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