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re: St George leaders avoid answering questions from their constituents
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:03 pm to c on z
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:03 pm to c on z
quote:This is so painfully obvious to everyone except for the SG "leaders."
Well they should have met with mall officials to see how the tax situation would work instead of assuming they will automatically support their cause.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:04 pm to LSUMJ
quote:Ho-lee-frick!
it was said on here you were the guy pictured in the magazine who said that
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:05 pm to c on z
quote:
Well they should have met with mall officials to see how the tax situation would work instead of assuming they will automatically support their cause.
THIS
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:06 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I'm thinking this as well. If they had taken their time and planned this out better it wouldn't be spurting. they took a decent idea but rushed with it out of anger and now it has fallen apart.
Looks like the movement is falling apart. With a little better planning and foresight, they could have possibly pulled it off.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:07 pm to magildachunks
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Of course they will.
Look at all the EBR people who flock to Tanger.
What Juban has been described as is NOT anything close to what Tanger is.
Juban sounds like Cortana right now and people aren't going to flock over there. Even those that live there aren't going to shop exclusively there. They will still go to the MoL.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:12 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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What Juban has been described as is NOT anything close to what Tanger is. Juban sounds like Cortana right now and people aren't going to flock over there. Even those that live there aren't going to shop exclusively there. They will still go to the MoL.
I know. Its delusion to think it's going to be anything other than another Seigan village.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:13 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I'm thinking this as well. If they had taken their time and planned this out better it wouldn't be spurting. they took a decent idea but rushed with it out of anger and now it has fallen apart.
The SG leadership certainly has made mistakes, and maybe not discussing things over with the mall owners, GGP, is one of them.
But as far as taking their time, they started the petition drive in September of 2013, and the powers that be in the legislature are trying to make them finish their efforts by late July; how much more time could they have taken?
IMHO, SG underestimated the speed and ferocity at which Holden and the City Hall gang came back at them. In these short 8 months look at the offensive Holden & Co. have mounted. It is really something behold and it shows you just how much political clout Holden has.
They can't fix a two lane bridge at White Oak Landing in a year and a half, but when it comes to politics they are second to none.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:15 pm to c on z
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Well they should have met with mall officials to see how the tax situation would work instead of assuming they will automatically support their cause
They tried. In the beginning, we were "nobodys" and ignored. By the time we made waves the city was already working them. It was never an oversight.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:16 pm to doubleb
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They can't fix a two lane bridge at White Oak Landing in a year and a half, but when it comes to politics they are second to none.
Are you sure that the city or parish is the responsible party for that?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:18 pm to c on z
quote:I suspect they are no where near their 18,000 goal. By a LOT.
There's no reason for them to hide the stats if they were confident that they would get all of the signatures at a certain time.
It's possible their last reported number they gave several months ago, 10,000, was a bogus number, too, and now if they disclosed how many signatures they have now it would reveal they lied about the 10,000 number and also about Rainey's recent proclamation they are gathering 500 signatures a week now.
That is why they not only don't want to give out their current number of signatures but also why they got testy last night when asked about it.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:19 pm to doubleb
quote:I meant more they should have better organized the movement before going public with it. They should have been in contact with all the major businesses in the area and locked them down. I also think going with a name like South Baton Rouge would have been better. BR is a name people recognize so just add the south to it. They needed to make up complete plans, then back up plans and more back up plans. I would have created plans detailing the ideal breakaway with businesses and then others to compensate for some wanting to not break away. I also think they do a poor job with their signature drives, I see them but they are all on the edges of city limits and at places that i don't want to be bothered if I'm stopping by.
But as far as taking their time, they started the petition drive in September of 2013, and the powers that be in the legislature are trying to make them finish their efforts by late July; how much more time could they have taken?
quote:I agree they probably did, which the response comes down to preparation and having some kind of planned counter attack.
IMHO, SG underestimated the speed and ferocity at which Holden and the City Hall gang came back at them. In these short 8 months look at the offensive Holden & Co. have mounted. It is really something behold and it shows you just how much political clout Holden has.
I just think they should have waited a few more months before going public with the breakaway idea.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:20 pm to LSURussian
Hmmm, I wonder what the St. George organizers will be up to once the separation movement ends? Their names have gotten a lot of free publicity...
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:20 pm to LSURussian
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I suspect they are no where near their 18,000 goal. By a LOT. It's possible their last reported number then gave several months ago, 10,000, was a bogus number, too, and now if they disclosed how many signatures they have now it would reveal they lied about the 10,000 number and also about Rainey's recent proclamation they are gathering 500 signatures a week now. That is why they not only don't want to give out their current number of signatures but also why they got testy last night when asked about it.
You couldn't be more wrong. You are guessing,at best.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:20 pm to doubleb
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They can't fix a two lane bridge at White Oak Landing in a year and a half, but when it comes to politics they are second to none.
Improving city-parish infrastructure takes time.
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Mayor-President Kip Holden will host a ribbon-cutting ceremony Thursday marking the near completion of the project. The Green Light Plan is a program to improve roads and related infrastructure in East Baton Rouge Parish.
The ceremony will be held at 10 a.m. near Westminster Presbyterian Church, 3701 Jones Creek Road.
With a total construction cost of $12.4 million, the improvements to Jones Creek Road include the widening of the previous two-lane, undivided road to a new, four-lane road that includes sidewalks, a raised median from Coursey Boulevard to South Harrell’s Ferry Road, and allows for bicycle access along the road.
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The Woodlake Drive Bridge is partially open and will fully reopen next week. It's been closed since May 2012 and the construction project over Jones Creek has had delay after delay.
Engineers blamed weather and utility relocation for the lengthy process.
Crews had to demolish the old bridge before a new one could be built.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:22 pm to LSURussian
quote:
This is so painfully obvious to everyone except for the SG "leaders."
I seriously doubt this was an issue where they didn't think about meeting with the mall leaders.
It's more likely, that no guarantee could be given from people who won't necessarily have any power to ensure anything. Remember, St. George doesn't exist and no one has been elected. Also, I assume that Baton Rouge was leaning on the Mall as well.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:22 pm to Sprocket46
quote:They should have brought in someone that could get a word with those businesses.
They tried. In the beginning, we were "nobodys" and ignored. By the time we made waves the city was already working them. It was never an oversight.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:22 pm to Sprocket46
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They tried. In the beginning, we were "nobodys" and ignored. By the time we made waves the city was already working them. It was never an oversight.
If they never had a commitment from the mall and even knew that the city was "working on them" then they never should have included the mall in their petition in the first place.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:23 pm to magildachunks
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Are you sure that the city or parish is the responsible party for that?
I am certain it is a city-parish project.
ETA: DOTD may be responsiblealthough I don't know why. I FOUND ANOTHER ARTICLE THAT INDICATES THAT.
I will do some more digging.
ETA: Actually the work is part of some federal program the state is handling and the city-parish is just a part of the process here and it looks like a very small part.
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Ask The Advocate: Woodlake Drive bridge
Advocate story
June 10, 2013
Q.
Which government agency is responsible for the repair of the bridge on Woodlake Drive near South Harrell’s Ferry Road? Also, what is the projected start date of the actual bridge repair? The bridge has been closed since May 2012.
A.Response from Bryan Harmon, of the East Baton Rouge Parish Department of Public Works:
“The bridge replacement is actually under contract through the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development. Unfortunately there was a combination of issues that impacted the project that typically would not have been an issue. Bids were taken to replace the bridge; however, before any construction could start, the numerous utilities that were attached to the old bridge had to be relocated and removed (included water, phone, electric, gas and sewer). Typically during the relocation period the bridge would have remained open and that was the plan here. However, under the requirements of the Federal Off-System Bridge Program all bridges must be inspected a minimum of once every two years with the frequency increasing based on the condition of the bridge. This bridge has been closed several times in the past to allow for temporary repairs until the replacement project could move forward. In May of last year, the bridge had to be inspected and, based on the condition, it was deemed to be structurally in critical condition and had to be closed immediately. Temporary repairs were not practical since bids to replace it had already been taken and the bridge needed to have the private utilities removed and relocated. This unfortunate series of events resulted in the delay that under normal circumstances would not have happened. The proximity of the bridge to the lake containment embankment also created issues with the utility relocations since none of the utility companies were willing to excavate in this area due to the perched water level in the lake and their concerns of a levee failure and blowout of the lake. The bridge structure was modified to allow for the permanent utilities to be relocated back onto the new structure, but the existing utilities still had to be relocated temporarily to allow for the structure demolition and the new bridge construction. All utilities have since been relocated and the old bridge removed. The contractor has now mobilized his cranes and pile driving equipment and is scheduled to begin that work very soon, so everyone should begin to see the construction activity ramp up very soon.
I owe the city-parish an apology. I'm sorry Kip.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:23 pm to Sprocket46
quote:"We"?
we were "nobodys"
Which one are you, Rainey, Browning, Hoffpauier or Yates?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 4:24 pm to magildachunks
I do not think the SG movement has lost steam or is breaking up. Over 100 people signed the petition last night at Woodlawn Baptist Church.
While I am still ambivalent on the issue, my neighbors in the 70816 seem to be leaning heavily in favor of SG with or without the MoL.
And it was the City Parish that took 18 months on a 6 month tops bridge project near me at White Oak Landing. I spoke with the project site manager some months back and he said the project was not a priority for the City.
While I am still ambivalent on the issue, my neighbors in the 70816 seem to be leaning heavily in favor of SG with or without the MoL.
And it was the City Parish that took 18 months on a 6 month tops bridge project near me at White Oak Landing. I spoke with the project site manager some months back and he said the project was not a priority for the City.
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