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re: EBR schools audit- 'troubling' discrepancies in district's academic record
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:46 am to LSURussian
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:46 am to LSURussian
Being that this was an audit and a random sample clearly occurred, why would it bring down the overall rating? If you could apply the random sample %'s to the overall rating, you bet your arse it would have an impact though. Doesnt work like that however.
Why can't you simply acknowledge that wrongdoing and lack of accountability is clearly prevalant in EBR?
Why can't you simply acknowledge that wrongdoing and lack of accountability is clearly prevalant in EBR?
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 10:47 am
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:48 am to doubleb
This is an interesting part of the NOLA.com article.
Does an organization cooperating with an audit usually dump emails ahead of time?
They have until April 4th to come up with a plan to address this.
Also worth mentioning:
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In one case, staff members were ordered to delete emails about a student’s records that were being audited, a draft summary of the audit released by the state on Sunday said.
Does an organization cooperating with an audit usually dump emails ahead of time?
quote:LINK
“(The school system) has fully cooperated with (the state’s) records audit by making records and staff available and will continue to do so, including with any other agencies involved with the matter,” Taylor said in a statement released Sunday night.
They have until April 4th to come up with a plan to address this.
Also worth mentioning:
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Of the 15 high schools that auditors visited, three had no records problems: Arlington Preparatory Academy, Baton Rouge Magnet High and Woodlawn High schools.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:02 am to LSURussian
quote:I guess we will just have to wait and see.
If the grade changing accusations change the school system's overall rating downward, then I will acknowledge it.
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In total, White said the department reviewed records for 362 students. A total of 25 percent of those records had “major errors,” the audit found.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:04 am to sec13rowBBseat28
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In total, White said the department reviewed records for 362 students. A total of 25 percent of those records had “major errors,” the audit found.
Russian will tell us that 75% were correct.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:08 am to dewster
I retook Algebra, English and an arts class at BRCC and I can vouch for the fact that a big majority of the students that went to EBR public school should not have gotten out of hight school. I had to peer review English papers for some of them and not one could pass for an acceptable High School essay much less a college one. It pissed me off. If like they just let them out of High School with a free pass.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:20 am to LSURussian
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Right back at you.....
Desperation is a stinky cologne.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:26 am to dewster
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One EBR schools official claimed that St George caused all of this. I'm sure that Bodi White was changing those grades himself.
Link?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:29 am to LSU2NO
Link is in the OP. It was in reference to Pat Smith. I updated the post you quoted.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:32 am to doubleb
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In total, White said the department reviewed records for 362 students. A total of 25 percent of those records had “major errors,” the audit found.
Russian will tell us that 75% were correct.
If only we had a baseline for comparison. I mean the current 75% of records without major errors could very well another be a sign of academic improvement.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:39 am to LSURussian
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If the grade changing accusations change the school system's overall rating downward, then I will acknowledge it
Upon further review it seems that graduation rates are part of the grading system used by the state to grade public high schools.
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•High schools: Half of the school grade is based on student achievement (25 percent on the ACT and 25 percent on End-of-Course assessments). Half of the school grade is based on graduation (25 percent on the graduation index, which rewards achievements like Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate exam credit, and 25 percent on the cohort graduation rate).
LINK
It wouldn't be a stretch that changing grades and helping kids graduate does increase the overall grade of each school where cheating was done, and it might also affect the entire school system.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:46 am to dewster
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One EBR schools official claimed that St George caused all of this.
quote:Pat Smith is not an EBR school official. She is a representative in the Louisiana House of Reps.
Link is in the OP. It was in reference to Pat Smith.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:50 am to LSURussian
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Pat Smith is not an EBR school official. She is a representative in the Louisiana House of Reps.
Correct, to be completely accurate you could say she was a EBR school official and as a representative has shown a special interest in public school systems.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:52 am to doubleb
As stated before, the post was updated to reflect the subject well before Russian quoted it.
It was in reference to Pat Smith's words in the link within the OP.....an elected official within Baton Rouge and a former educator with an interesting conspiracy theory about St George.
Pat Smith doesn't appear to hold anyone accountable or responsible, and dismisses this as a stunt orchestrated by St George even though some administrators may have incentive to change grades reported to the state.
To some, the St George effort is a disorganized mess when it suits their argument, and a well oiled political machine in times like these when they need a third party to blame. Sort of like how a new city of St George will be a fiscal disaster for Baton Rouge because it would keep so much more revenue within the new district..... but depending on what the debate topic is, the opponents of the movement would also switch hit and argue that St George would not be able to sustain itself because it lacks the revenue to do so.
In this case, St George has morphed from a backwoods movement orchestrated by slack-jawed bumpkins from Central to a big, evil political machine capable of orchestrating a state audit. This audit just happened to find major inconsistencies in an effort to discredit EBR schools and embarrass Pat Smith along with the nationwide IAF organization that opposes grassroots movements like St George through guise of TogetherBR.
No one but East Baton Rouge Parish school officials are responsible for the findings of this audit.
It was in reference to Pat Smith's words in the link within the OP.....an elected official within Baton Rouge and a former educator with an interesting conspiracy theory about St George.
Pat Smith doesn't appear to hold anyone accountable or responsible, and dismisses this as a stunt orchestrated by St George even though some administrators may have incentive to change grades reported to the state.
To some, the St George effort is a disorganized mess when it suits their argument, and a well oiled political machine in times like these when they need a third party to blame. Sort of like how a new city of St George will be a fiscal disaster for Baton Rouge because it would keep so much more revenue within the new district..... but depending on what the debate topic is, the opponents of the movement would also switch hit and argue that St George would not be able to sustain itself because it lacks the revenue to do so.
In this case, St George has morphed from a backwoods movement orchestrated by slack-jawed bumpkins from Central to a big, evil political machine capable of orchestrating a state audit. This audit just happened to find major inconsistencies in an effort to discredit EBR schools and embarrass Pat Smith along with the nationwide IAF organization that opposes grassroots movements like St George through guise of TogetherBR.
No one but East Baton Rouge Parish school officials are responsible for the findings of this audit.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:53 am to LSURussian
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Pat Smith is not an EBR school official. She is a representative in the Louisiana House of Reps.
As well as a former teacher in East Baton Rouge Parish.
And here is a statement from her website (bold added for emphasis):
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PERSONAL STATEMENT
I make every attempt to be a true public-servant. not only to those who elected me but to the entire population of families and students in the State of LA. My legislation has been diverse with concentrations on Education Reform and Penal Reform. It is my hope to leave a legacy of “change” as I continue on this public service journey.
LINK
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:55 am to dewster
quote:
The post was updated before Russian quoted it. It was in reference to Pat Smith's words in the link within the OP.
Pat Smith currently isn't an EBR public school official, but she is a spokesperson for the anti ISD forces, and she is a strong supporter of the status quo and once was EBR Parish School Board president.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:04 pm to doubleb
The people that oppose the St George efforts to be independent have to find something to put out this fire ASAP. EBR is on a downward spiral that hasn't found the bottom of the pit they have dug.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:08 pm to CITWTT
its a simple fix right? the long haired guy in the artivle featured last week (was it really russian? was it a joke?)
said to fix schools all we have to do is end poverty.
its such a simple idea, im suprised no one has tried it
said to fix schools all we have to do is end poverty.
its such a simple idea, im suprised no one has tried it
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:14 pm to dewster
If persons can be identified who participated in the changing of grades and if the intent was to defraud the state or feds out of our education tax dollars or to inflate graduation numbers for any reason, I hope that person or persons is/are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Even if illegal activity cannot be proven, I hope the persons involved are fired for incompetence.
For those who have read the book Freakonomics, that book has a chapter specifically on the economic incentives surrounding school administrative cheating on grades and certifications. It's sad that it happens and it is wrong. But, as the book points out, the financial reward for cheating is so great that many public school officials decide it's better to cheat than take the risk of losing their job.
The only solution is to fully backstop all opportunities at cheating, such as separating the testing/evaluating procedures from the persons who would benefit (or not be punished) from poor results.
That, of course, would take more money to staff independent "monitors" and that's the excuse given for not doing it.
Freakonomics is a good read. It provides a lot of insight, based on hard data and not just suppostions, as to why things happen in our society that are caused by economic incentives that we usually don't associate with economics.
Even if illegal activity cannot be proven, I hope the persons involved are fired for incompetence.
For those who have read the book Freakonomics, that book has a chapter specifically on the economic incentives surrounding school administrative cheating on grades and certifications. It's sad that it happens and it is wrong. But, as the book points out, the financial reward for cheating is so great that many public school officials decide it's better to cheat than take the risk of losing their job.
The only solution is to fully backstop all opportunities at cheating, such as separating the testing/evaluating procedures from the persons who would benefit (or not be punished) from poor results.
That, of course, would take more money to staff independent "monitors" and that's the excuse given for not doing it.
Freakonomics is a good read. It provides a lot of insight, based on hard data and not just suppostions, as to why things happen in our society that are caused by economic incentives that we usually don't associate with economics.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:30 pm to LSURussian
Since this thread has been derailed with Memphis talk I will add that I still think the biggest problem with EBR schools is the parents of these kids.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:32 pm to LSURussian
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But, as the book points out, the financial reward for cheating is so great that many public school officials decide it's better to cheat than take the risk of losing their job.
The only solution is to fully backstop all opportunities at cheating, such as separating the testing/evaluating procedures from the persons who would benefit (or not be punished) from poor results.
That, of course, would take more money to staff independent "monitors" and that's the excuse given for not doing it.
Your skepticism seemed very subdued in your earlier references to EBRPSS's measures of academic improvement. How long ago did you read Freakonomics?
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:38 pm
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