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re: LHSAA goes full retard
Posted on 6/5/13 at 8:13 am to diablo blanco
Posted on 6/5/13 at 8:13 am to diablo blanco
quote:
No one is being disallowed!
Select schools play against other select schools.
Sure, the LHSAA will screw it up, but at least you're comparing apples to apples.
Comparing JC or ECA to St. Martins is not apples to apples....
Comparing WM to Grace King is not apples to apples....
1. schools that have parents paying for other kids tuition.
2. schools that have farcical academic policies/programs
3. schools where the majority if not nearly all of the boys should be a year ahead
4. schools that have "addresses" they can use for residency scams....
there is no such thing as apples to apples.... but... when 20 17 year old seniors are playing against 20 18 and 19 year old seniors.. who do you think will win?
I'll say this for the 100th time for many programs hold backs have a much much bigger impact than recruiting ever could....
recruiting is more of a parent problem... those of you that think residency in a zone would solve the problem are crazy.... for 100 bucks a month or less a parent that wants to can..especially with a helpful coach or administrator..
Posted on 6/5/13 at 8:20 am to GhostofJackson
I haven't been able to keep up with this very much.. can someone fill me in on the cliff notes? Specifically, how will the playoffs be divvied up, if this is passed?
Will 5A private schools play only other 5A private schools in the playoffs or will the "split" allow for a more broad selection of teams?
Will 5A private schools play only other 5A private schools in the playoffs or will the "split" allow for a more broad selection of teams?
Posted on 6/5/13 at 8:21 am to GhostofJackson
How are you going to split the selects into 5 divisions? Are the numbers at private schools that far apart as far as enrollment?
Posted on 6/5/13 at 8:54 am to LSU316
All football-participating Private schools in the state. Notice there are much more smaller Private schools than larger, and the larger ones are concentrated mainly in the NOLA metro area.
5A
Archbishop Rummel (AB) - Metaire
Archbishop Shaw (AB) - Marrero
Brother Martin (AB) - New Orleans
Catholic (AB) - Baton Rouge
Holy Cross (AB) - New Orleans
Jesuit (AB) - New Orleans
St. Augustine (AB) - New Orleans
St. Paul's (AB) - Covington
4A
Loyola Prep - Shreveport
St. Michael's - Baton Rouge
St. Thomas More - Lafayette
Teurlings Catholic - Lafayette
Vandebilt Catholic - Houma
3A
John Curtis - River Ridge
De La Salle - New Orleans
Evangel - Shreveport
Notre Dame - Crowley
Parkview Baptist - Baton Rouge
St. Charles Catholic - LaPlace
University - Baton Rouge (still not 100% clear on whether U-High is public or private, but I'll just throw them on here for now)
E.D. White - Thibodaux
2A
Archbishop Hannan - Covington
Calvary Baptist - Shreveport
Capitol - Baton Rouge
Catholic - New Iberia
Dunham - Baton Rouge
Episcopal - Baton Rouge
Haynes - Metaire
Holy Savior Menard - Alexandria
Newman - New Orleans
Northlake Christian - Covington
Opelousas Catholic - Opelousas
Pope John Paul II - Slidell
Redemptorist - Baton Rouge
Riverside Academy - Reserve
St. Thomas Aquinas - Hammond
Westminster Christian - Opelousas
1A
Ascension Catholic - Donaldsonville
Ascension Christian - Gonzales
Ascension Episcopal - Youngsville
Catholic PC - New Roads
Cedar Creek - Ruston
Central Catholic - Morgan City
Christian Life - Baton Rouge
Covenant Christian - Houma
Ecole Classique - Metaire
Hamilton Christian - Lake Charles
Highland Baptist - New Iberia
Houma Christian - Houma
Lafayette Christian - Lafayette
Metaire Park Country Day - Metaire
Ridgewood Prep - Metaire
Ouachita Christian - Monroe
Sacred Heart - Ville Platte
Southern Lab - Baton Rouge
St. Edmund's - Eunice
St. Frederick - Monroe
St. John - Plaquemine
St. Martin's Episcopal - Metaire
Vermillion Catholic - Abbeville
If there needed to be a "grouping" of schools in close proximity it would resemble something like this:
NOLA Metro Area
Archbishop Hannan (2A) Archbishop Rummel (5A), Archbishop Shaw (5A), Brother Martin (5A), De La Salle (3A), Ecole Classique (1A), Haynes (2A), Holy Cross (5A), Jesuit (5A), John Curtis (3A), Metaire Park Country Day (1A), Newman (2A), Northlake Christian (2A), Pope John Paul II (2A), Ridgewood Prep (1A), Riverside Academy (2A), St. Thomas Aquinas (2A), St. Augustine (5A), St. Charles Catholic (3A), St. Martin's Episcopal (1A), St. Paul's (5A), Vandebilt Catholic (4A), E.D. White (3A).
23 Total
Baton Rouge Metro Area
Ascension Catholic (1A), Ascension Christian (1A), Ascension Episcopal (1A), Catholic PC (1A), Christian Life (1A), Catholic (5A), Capitol (2A), Dunham (2A), Episcopal (2A), Parkview Baptist (3A), Redemptorist (2A), Southern Lab (1A), St. John (1A), St. Michael's (4A), University (3A)
15 Total
Lafayette/West Louisiana Metro Area
Catholic NI (2A), Central Catholic (1A), Highland Baptist (1A), Lafayette Christian (1A), Notre Dame (3A), Opelousas Catholic (2A), Sacred Heart VP (1A), St. Edmund's (1A), St. Thomas More (4A), Teurlings Catholic (4A), Westminster Christian (2A), Hamilton Christian (1A), Vermillion Catholic (1A)
13 Total
North Louisiana
Calvary Baptist (2A), Cedar Creek (1A), Evangel (3A), Holy Savior Menard (2A), Loyola Prep (4A), Ouachita Christian (1A), St. Frederick (1A)
7 Total
5A
Archbishop Rummel (AB) - Metaire
Archbishop Shaw (AB) - Marrero
Brother Martin (AB) - New Orleans
Catholic (AB) - Baton Rouge
Holy Cross (AB) - New Orleans
Jesuit (AB) - New Orleans
St. Augustine (AB) - New Orleans
St. Paul's (AB) - Covington
4A
Loyola Prep - Shreveport
St. Michael's - Baton Rouge
St. Thomas More - Lafayette
Teurlings Catholic - Lafayette
Vandebilt Catholic - Houma
3A
John Curtis - River Ridge
De La Salle - New Orleans
Evangel - Shreveport
Notre Dame - Crowley
Parkview Baptist - Baton Rouge
St. Charles Catholic - LaPlace
University - Baton Rouge (still not 100% clear on whether U-High is public or private, but I'll just throw them on here for now)
E.D. White - Thibodaux
2A
Archbishop Hannan - Covington
Calvary Baptist - Shreveport
Capitol - Baton Rouge
Catholic - New Iberia
Dunham - Baton Rouge
Episcopal - Baton Rouge
Haynes - Metaire
Holy Savior Menard - Alexandria
Newman - New Orleans
Northlake Christian - Covington
Opelousas Catholic - Opelousas
Pope John Paul II - Slidell
Redemptorist - Baton Rouge
Riverside Academy - Reserve
St. Thomas Aquinas - Hammond
Westminster Christian - Opelousas
1A
Ascension Catholic - Donaldsonville
Ascension Christian - Gonzales
Ascension Episcopal - Youngsville
Catholic PC - New Roads
Cedar Creek - Ruston
Central Catholic - Morgan City
Christian Life - Baton Rouge
Covenant Christian - Houma
Ecole Classique - Metaire
Hamilton Christian - Lake Charles
Highland Baptist - New Iberia
Houma Christian - Houma
Lafayette Christian - Lafayette
Metaire Park Country Day - Metaire
Ridgewood Prep - Metaire
Ouachita Christian - Monroe
Sacred Heart - Ville Platte
Southern Lab - Baton Rouge
St. Edmund's - Eunice
St. Frederick - Monroe
St. John - Plaquemine
St. Martin's Episcopal - Metaire
Vermillion Catholic - Abbeville
If there needed to be a "grouping" of schools in close proximity it would resemble something like this:
NOLA Metro Area
Archbishop Hannan (2A) Archbishop Rummel (5A), Archbishop Shaw (5A), Brother Martin (5A), De La Salle (3A), Ecole Classique (1A), Haynes (2A), Holy Cross (5A), Jesuit (5A), John Curtis (3A), Metaire Park Country Day (1A), Newman (2A), Northlake Christian (2A), Pope John Paul II (2A), Ridgewood Prep (1A), Riverside Academy (2A), St. Thomas Aquinas (2A), St. Augustine (5A), St. Charles Catholic (3A), St. Martin's Episcopal (1A), St. Paul's (5A), Vandebilt Catholic (4A), E.D. White (3A).
23 Total
Baton Rouge Metro Area
Ascension Catholic (1A), Ascension Christian (1A), Ascension Episcopal (1A), Catholic PC (1A), Christian Life (1A), Catholic (5A), Capitol (2A), Dunham (2A), Episcopal (2A), Parkview Baptist (3A), Redemptorist (2A), Southern Lab (1A), St. John (1A), St. Michael's (4A), University (3A)
15 Total
Lafayette/West Louisiana Metro Area
Catholic NI (2A), Central Catholic (1A), Highland Baptist (1A), Lafayette Christian (1A), Notre Dame (3A), Opelousas Catholic (2A), Sacred Heart VP (1A), St. Edmund's (1A), St. Thomas More (4A), Teurlings Catholic (4A), Westminster Christian (2A), Hamilton Christian (1A), Vermillion Catholic (1A)
13 Total
North Louisiana
Calvary Baptist (2A), Cedar Creek (1A), Evangel (3A), Holy Savior Menard (2A), Loyola Prep (4A), Ouachita Christian (1A), St. Frederick (1A)
7 Total
This post was edited on 6/5/13 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:01 am to brewhan davey
Of the lhsaa is going to do this dumb shite they really need to wait AT LEAST a year before doing it to work out some sort of plan that will work.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:12 am to StanleyB
quote:and none really should have won, Kinder had the championship game in their finger tips and blew it...
2A Baseball Seeds: #1 Calvary, #2 John Curtis, #3 Evangel.
guess it's because they aren't private
This post was edited on 6/5/13 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:19 am to brewhan davey
That's the list of known ones, but there are a number of schools who are likely to end up charter or in the Recovery School District sooner or later, like Istrouma.
Those are iffy, but probably would be considered select / private.
Those are iffy, but probably would be considered select / private.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:14 am to GhostofJackson
Private schools have to recruit. In order to have enrollment they must sell their school. The problem is where do you draw the line? I saw a school recently completely turn its football program around in 2 years taking 4 or 5 times as many minority football players as they usually do. No doubt many of these kids are getting financial help. It's obvious what the kids were there to do. 90% of the kids they took in just happened to play football. Everybody knows this happened but nobody is doing anything about it. It's only recruiting if public schools do it? I am fine with a complete split if that's what the private schools want. My guess is if it was in their best interest to leave they would have done so already.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:17 am to peopleschamp
quote:
My guess is if it was in their best interest to leave they would have done so already.
It's not in their best interest to leave if status quo ante bellum prevails, meaning "keep the five football classifications, not this seven-class horseshite".
The best interests start changing if the football split is implemented, especially because a number of private schools see this as a slippery slope to splits in other sports as well.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:18 am to peopleschamp
quote:
Private schools have to recruit. In order to have enrollment they must sell their school. The problem is where do you draw the line? I saw a school recently completely turn its football program around in 2 years taking 4 or 5 times as many minority football players as they usually do. No doubt many of these kids are getting financial help. It's obvious what the kids were there to do. 90% of the kids they took in just happened to play football. Everybody knows this happened but nobody is doing anything about it. It's only recruiting if public schools do it? I am fine with a complete split if that's what the private schools want. My guess is if it was in their best interest to leave they would have done so already.
if a private school changes the culture of the school a great deal with recruitment.... the parents there already will revolt - the result is usually not pretty...
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:30 am to brewhan davey
quote:
5A Archbishop Rummel (AB) - Metaire Archbishop Shaw (AB) - Marrero Brother Martin (AB) - New Orleans Catholic (AB) - Baton Rouge Holy Cross (AB) - New Orleans Jesuit (AB) - New Orleans St. Augustine (AB) - New Orleans St. Paul's (AB) - Covington
Byrd from Shreveport + 1 other school
quote:
4A Loyola Prep - Shreveport St. Michael's - Baton Rouge St. Thomas More - Lafayette Teurlings Catholic - Lafayette Vandebilt Catholic - Houma
+1 other school & maybe Edna Karr
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:43 am to TigerintheNO
I was only listing private schools. I have no idea which public schools are select, etc.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:48 am to Choupique19
quote:
Choupique19
quote:
then Miami of Ohio with Ben Rothliesberger could have beaten the big boys. Vanderbilt and Jake Cutler should have competed for SEC titles. East Carolina and Chris Johnson should have been able to beat anybody in the nation.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:57 am to ShamelessPel
They need to go back to the way it was in the 80's
Lhsaa
Lisa
If a private school wants to play in Lhsaa instead of Lisa then they follow the same rules as public schools or get kicked out of the Lhsaa.
Lhsaa
Lisa
If a private school wants to play in Lhsaa instead of Lisa then they follow the same rules as public schools or get kicked out of the Lhsaa.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:57 am to brewhan davey
quote:
I was only listing private schools. I have no idea which public schools are select, etc.
according to the article those will be all the teams- 10 in 5A, 6 in 4A
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:02 pm to bulldog95
quote:
If a private school wants to play in Lhsaa instead of Lisa then they follow the same rules as public schools or get kicked out of the Lhsaa.
good god.. you have it wrong.....
schools were bending the rules in the 80s and enforcement was less than today.... and Curtis never played in Lisa......
lisa was started in the integration days... and had more to do with that than problems with the LHSAA...
this is entirely different.
BTW.. LISA was choctaw for tall skinny white kid league
This post was edited on 6/5/13 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:11 pm to TigerintheNO
I'm pretty sure it was the private schools that have been pushing the whole "we have to have 5 divisions for privates too" agenda. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either but apparently that's what hey want (or were using the threat of it with the "the constitution says 5 divisions" argument.
The thing that strikes me as funny is that I look up the by-law once and, unless I'm really misremembering, it only takes a majority vote to change the constitution. I'm not sure why they didn't just do that when they voted in the first place.
The thing that strikes me as funny is that I look up the by-law once and, unless I'm really misremembering, it only takes a majority vote to change the constitution. I'm not sure why they didn't just do that when they voted in the first place.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:18 pm to Methuselah
quote:
I'm pretty sure it was the private schools that have been pushing the whole "we have to have 5 divisions for privates too" agenda. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either but apparently that's what hey want (or were using the threat of it with the "the constitution says 5 divisions" argument.
The thing that strikes me as funny is that I look up the by-law once and, unless I'm really misremembering, it only takes a majority vote to change the constitution. I'm not sure why they didn't just do that when they voted in the first place.
real simple.. 4a and 5a don't want curtis and eca....
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:27 pm to choupiquesushi
No one wants Curtis and ECA. Let's be honest. They are the reason for the split and all of the problems. Now that there is a split, even the private schools want nothing to do with them.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:31 pm to JJ27
was calvary thinking about that when they lost to Mansfield last year?
they got another transfer QB from Arizona BTW
they got another transfer QB from Arizona BTW
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