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Average score for masters champ since 1990 is -11. Why do we say its an impossible course?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:19 pm
Look I’m not saying it’s easy at all don’t hear what I’m not saying.
But all these hypotheticals about a 5 handicap winning if he starts on the green or could a 4 person scramble of scratch golfers make the cut etc are dumb.
Augusta has done a great job of upping the mystique of their course and it’s obviously incredibly maintained, but we don’t need to pretend like it’s borderline suicide to try and play for the average golfer. It’s an amazing event and incredible course that the pros can score pretty well on.
But all these hypotheticals about a 5 handicap winning if he starts on the green or could a 4 person scramble of scratch golfers make the cut etc are dumb.
Augusta has done a great job of upping the mystique of their course and it’s obviously incredibly maintained, but we don’t need to pretend like it’s borderline suicide to try and play for the average golfer. It’s an amazing event and incredible course that the pros can score pretty well on.
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:23 pm to Tiger1242
An impossible course was Shinnecock when the greens burned out. So much has to do with conditions. Imagine if they had US Open rough at The Masters? 
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:25 pm to Tiger1242
There was literally perfect weather this week.
The guy who won the tournament literally shot even par for the weekend.
Not great for your argument.
And other PGA tour events, non majors, average closer to -18
The guy who won the tournament literally shot even par for the weekend.
Not great for your argument.
And other PGA tour events, non majors, average closer to -18
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:27 pm to Tiger1242
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But all these hypotheticals about a 5 handicap winning if he starts on the green or could a 4 person scramble of scratch golfers make the cut etc are dumb.
Do you think a 5 handicap is going to hit a 350 yard drive on 13 and have an 8 iron into the green like Rory?
Do you think the 4 scratch golfers are going hold the 245 yard par 3 fourth hole on the correct quadrant of the green?
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:31 pm to Choupique19
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Do you think a 5 handicap is going to hit a 350 yard drive on 13 and have an 8 iron into the green like Rory?
He won’t have to if he starts on the green…
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Do you think the 4 scratch golfers are going hold the 232 yard par 3 fourth hole on the correct quadrant of the green?
Maybe not but they’ll have 4 chances at whatever putt or chip they have and then 4 more at whatever they have left for par. Cut line was +4 btw
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:32 pm to Tiger1242
Augusta is lobbying hard for cutting back on distance. Whether that's the ball tech or club tech. They want less distance from the tee's. It was obvious when they "Tiger Proofed" the course, and recently with their multiple renovations to the tee box at 13. They don't like that their par 5's are playing like 4's.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:38 pm to Tiger1242
#1 in the world (Scheffler) was the first golfer since 1942 to go bogey free for the weekend.
Mind you, that includes every Master's champion since 1942.
I'd say that means the course/tournament is rather challenging.
Mind you, that includes every Master's champion since 1942.
I'd say that means the course/tournament is rather challenging.
This post was edited on 4/14/26 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:38 pm to Choupique19
quote:Is anyone arguing a 5 handicap would win the masters?
Do you think a 5 handicap is going to hit a 350 yard drive on 13 and have an 8 iron into the green like Rory?
Golf fans always go too insane with how hard a pro course is. It’s extremely challenging, but some of the hyperbole that comes with it is ridiculous
“A 12 wouldn’t break 150 at Augusta”
“You could start on the green and you wouldn’t win the masters “
It just gets silly
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:38 pm to Tiger1242
They could make Augusta far harder than they do. Just grow the rough out and bake the greens and the winning score this week would have been around even. That's not the goal of ANGC.
They could have turned the greens into Shinnecock if they wanted to this week.
They could have turned the greens into Shinnecock if they wanted to this week.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:43 pm to usc6158
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They could make Augusta far harder than they do. Just grow the rough out and bake the greens and the winning score this week would have been around even. That's not the goal of ANGC.
yeah. it was setup to be tough going into Saturday but they watered the greens a bunch (I think to give the field a chance to catch Rory and make it more interesting).
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:45 pm to Tiger1242
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He won’t have to if he starts on the green…
I promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
Did you see Robert MacInyre, a top 15 golfer in the world, putt one off of the green on 13? Did you see Hatong Li putt one into Rae's Creek on Sunday?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:47 pm to Choupique19
quote:Absolutely fricking ridiculous
promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
A data nerd already did this. A 10 handicap would average roughly -30 over the course of the tournament starting at the furthest point of the green on every hole
quote:sure did. Were they in a situation where averaging 3.75 putts every green wins them the tournament by 7 freaking strokes?
Did you see Robert MacInyre, a top 15 golfer in the world, putt one off of the green on 13? Did you see Hatong Li putt one into Rae's Creek on Sunday?
You realize countless media members and such will play Augusta today right? And they aren’t going to be freaking 4 jacking most of the greens
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:48 pm to Tiger1242
Most of the players know augusta so well that it leads to consistent good scoring
Also how old guys (couples, langer, etc) did well at augusta well into 60s. Annual Experience at a course in tournament condition matters.
Other majors the guys arent as familiar with the courses.
Also how old guys (couples, langer, etc) did well at augusta well into 60s. Annual Experience at a course in tournament condition matters.
Other majors the guys arent as familiar with the courses.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:52 pm to Tiger1242
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Maybe not but they’ll have 4 chances at whatever putt or chip they have and then 4 more at whatever they have left for par. Cut line was +4 btw
Putting would be the biggest difference. No three putts. Making most everything inside of 15'.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:54 pm to Tiger1242
If you ever walked the course you would understand, the hills are ridiculous.
Rarely (other than the t-box) does a golfer have a level shot.
Rarely (other than the t-box) does a golfer have a level shot.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:55 pm to Tiger1242
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Why do we say its an impossible course?
I don't think people do
For the average golfer, however, the slopes, elevation changes and greens would be a nightmare
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:59 pm to lsufball19
quote:Look up to poster saying a 5 handicap wouldn’t win starting on the green
don't think people do
Golf course hyperbole has kinda jumped the shark lately. Yea, non hyperbolic people don’t make AGNC out to be impossible. In fact, it’s rather playable for a mid handicap due to its lack of hurt off the tee. It actually became harder relatively the better you get on the handicap scale
The toughest type of course for a mid handicap is something like the players in tournament shape. Would just be brutal with the forced carries and rough
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:02 pm to lsupride87
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Golf fans always go too insane with how hard a pro course is. It’s extremely challenging, but some of the hyperbole that comes with it is ridiculous
I know you know golf gets a LOT harder with millions on the line and a crowd watching you
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
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I promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
This on its own is a ridiculous statement, also you change the parameters. Whoever said they had to start at the furthest point away? I always assumed the hypothetical was just a random spot.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:03 pm to Tiger1242
The furthest point away is the argument. And a 5 handicap would be drinking beers celebrating all day Sunday running away with the jacket
Every single first putt will not be towards the hole at all. It will be asking the caddie which line to take to jsut het under the hole. It’s extremely simple. Some holes depending on pin location of the day you will already be underneath the hole. The entire premise is ridiculous
Every single first putt will not be towards the hole at all. It will be asking the caddie which line to take to jsut het under the hole. It’s extremely simple. Some holes depending on pin location of the day you will already be underneath the hole. The entire premise is ridiculous
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:05 pm
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