Help me understand Derek Carr's stats / tenure in NO

The QB is the face of your franchise, like it or not.

Most if not all successful QB's understand this and become the team leader. Taking unnecessary blame and redirecting warranted praise to the whole team.

Whether they are vocal leaders or quite leader, they have to BE the leader of the team.

Derek Carr was none of these things in New Orleans. or anywhere by all accounts. It was painfully obvious that the team did not not look to him as a leader and IMO he was salty about that because perhaps he felt like he was owed that because her was the QB. But respect is earned.

I believe all of this filtered down to the fan base as he was rarely if ever out in the community or even in the city when he didn't have to be there.

Derek Carr the player was no a QB that could elevate the talent around himself. That's in is self isn't terrible because many QB's like him have bee successful in the league, but you have to understand that and build a team around him to support HIM, not the other way around. The Saints FO didn't understand that or couldn't afford to buy the pieces to mitigate Carr's short comings. This is where Carrs lack of true leadership was exposed and created problems on the team as the losses mounted.

Agree with a lot of what Snipe adds, and will add:
At the time of the Carr signing, the fanbase was screaming for a rebuild, cap reset. There were many happy about the Carr signing at first because the team was a Winston injury away from making the playoffs the year before. And there were many that absolutely hated the signing whether it was due to cap implications, hated Carr, or both.

To add to St. Augustine's point about not all stats being equal; check out Carr's redzone efficiencies.

Also, he had a number of big completions with "hospital balls" that directly contributed to at least 2 of Olave's big concussions and finally made MT13 say he's had enough with this team. You never heard about Carr working out with his WRs in the offseason. There were stories about Drew flying guys out to Cali in the offseason, and Shough is making himself a part of the city, so I'm sure we'll hear about those stories as well (for the guys that are still in town).

It also did not help that this team went from Brees' success and personality, to Winston's renewed playful/not taking himself too serious personality, to Carr's wet blanket personality.

He’s worse than stats show

He padded stats in non close games.

He’s not a competitor and teammates don’t respect him. He’s never been a winner anywhere.

He has a garbage personality.

frick him.

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So tell me... WTF did Carr do so wrong with the Saints?

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To put it simply, he took our money and ran. BUT the FO takes half of the blame for giving him the money.

He then rectified this move by giving the money back. And he gets 100% credit for that.

In total he is accountable for 50% blame and 100% credit for digging us out this hole. There really shouldn't be any hate.

There are 7 Teams that he would be a potential immediate upgrade for:
MIA/ ARI/ NYJ/ CLE/ PIT/ MIN/ ATL

I would agree that he's not like the worst quarterback they've ever had or anything, but not long after Dennis Allen got fired he started to really rub me the wrong way.

It was after the Saints beat the Falcons and it had been a week since Allen had been fired.

He gave an interview after the game on the field and said something along the lines of you know. It's a shame that DA isn't here anymore seeing how he built all of this or something to that effect.

It was just an awkward moment like that's how far the standard has fallen. But this guy thinks it's okay what they have going on here. It's like hello, You just snapped a six or seven game losing streak or whatever it was at the time.

The approach that Carr signified (the Saints still trying to be relevant rather than taking their lumps and rebuilding) was worse than his actual play. That was always my biggest issue with him.

Carr was fine, but signing him was retarded given the state of our franchise.

If we were in a position like SEA a year ago, it would have been a great move

Imagine diarrhea running down the back of your leg and you’ll understand the Carr years.

You know, if someone never mentioned Derek Carr in conjunction with the Saints ever again, I'd be for it. Why people love to dredge up people like Billy Joe Toliver and Derek Carr, as if the depressing blank spaces where they captained the ship through the seas of mediocrity weren't reminder enough, I'll never understand it.