Two things can be true at the same time

I think it was Border Patrol. But point taken.

You’ll get downvoted to hell, but this is what I have been saying.

You can be for the strategy and enforcement while also admitting mistakes in execution.

Zealots will disagree.

You’re right… maybe just DHS in general to cover all the basis.

You're right of course. The thing is, we all *feel* like we've been the only side doing this for years, maybe decades.

Any conservative who has been around a while knows exactly how it is when someone (perhaps yourself, I've certainly done it) caveats in a mixed crowd "Look I agree Cheney isn't my favorite either" and it's never reciprocated/substantively appreciated. How many people had their liberal associates reach out and go "man I'm really troubled by the Kirk thing". Anyone?

Of course, someone might say this isn't just L-R, it's gov't-citizen, and that's true too. But I just don't expect conservatives of this era to break ranks in condemnation - they know it won't go anywhere constructive and it'll just be used to foment more unrest and lawlessness by the left.

Now, if you reach a conclusion that the shoot was bad, but you're too black/white to admit it to yourself or to your own kind, that's a different issue and it's unhealthy. But being able to do that but not wanting to play the game with opponents who don't follow the "rules" to begin with is different and we need not worry about the absence of some public reckoning from the right, IMO.

100% agree.

The dude had every right to have a gun on him. Is he a moron for behaving the way he did? Sure.

But he had every right. Him simply having the gun is not justification for him being shot several times. Did he try to pull it out to shoot? Was he shot before or after the other officer took it away from him?

Facts matter. What are the facts?

"FAFO" isn't the response to this incident, unless you live in your parents' basement or you have a single digit IQ.

Now all that said, I'm still for continuing to seek out illegals who have a criminal record and send them back. Load them up on the plane and ship them off. This incident shouldn't stop that from happening, but I do wish some of our right of center elected "leaders" would just shut the frick up for a couple days. You don't need to always invite a camera to you.

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But being able to do that but not wanting to play the game with opponents who don't follow the "rules" to begin with

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I cannot even conceptualize the prison of rejecting personal thoughts due to group identification.

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I cannot even conceptualize the prison of rejecting personal thoughts due to group identification.

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Sure you can. You see it on here all the time.

While I don't have great insight into the leftist mind, I'm sure plenty of them privately conclude that transitioning kids is horrific but outwardly say otherwise in public.

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A world exists where ICE are useful, needed, and decent human beings that are doing their job AND the ICE officer made a really big error.

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There's also a world where the officers were 100% in line and justified.

aka the real world

Stephen Miller needs to shut his damn mouth from time to time.

Hopefully Trump will tell him to stop with the theatrics in these incidents. Especially if an American loses their life.

Continue the mission but keep the talking heads from making a fool out of themselves.

The leadership in MN have set up an environment where this was going to happen eventually. Imagine going to work where people are threatening to kill you, kill your kids, dox your house, throw bricks at your head, attack you and blow those fricking rape whistles in your ear. I would be a little on edge trying to my job and worried I’m gonna get brained at any moment.

How about we start blaming the real culprits in this fiasco, the mayor, governor and lt governor for creating this environment and for promoting unlawful intervention!