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Arguing over the ICE incident being a “good or bad” shot is completely missing the point
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:05 am
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:05 am
It doesn’t matter because the entire situation is politicized beyond any reasonable means to get a fair determination on of what specifics happened in real time. As with all of these cases. I certainly am not going to spend any time analyzing or scrutinizing what an officer had to do in the heat of the moment with an unruly crowd, a moving vehicle with a driver who was not complying.
But the main point that is missing is the fact the left has fomented the chaos and created this scenario with both their policies in these cities and blue states, as well as their rhetoric.
I’m not going to judge an officer who is doing a tough job, getting no support from the local PD, against a hostile local government and protesters, what he may do in order to protect his own life or his fellow officers lives.
The blood of this woman is purely on Jacob Frey and the Democrats
But the main point that is missing is the fact the left has fomented the chaos and created this scenario with both their policies in these cities and blue states, as well as their rhetoric.
I’m not going to judge an officer who is doing a tough job, getting no support from the local PD, against a hostile local government and protesters, what he may do in order to protect his own life or his fellow officers lives.
The blood of this woman is purely on Jacob Frey and the Democrats
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:33 am to burger bearcat
So, these cops can do nothing to cause you to consider their actions wrong because it is a tough job?
Every shooting should be critiqued.
To many are determining the shooting was clean because of their view on immigration. Thinking that condemning the shooter is anti immigration enforcement.
You can be pro ICE and acknowledge they are human and not all humans are good. The shooter did wrong, killed when he could have avoided it.
Not all cops are bad
Not all cops are good.
Every shooting should be critiqued.
To many are determining the shooting was clean because of their view on immigration. Thinking that condemning the shooter is anti immigration enforcement.
You can be pro ICE and acknowledge they are human and not all humans are good. The shooter did wrong, killed when he could have avoided it.
Not all cops are bad
Not all cops are good.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:41 am to novabill
quote:
To many are determining the shooting was clean because of their view on immigration.
quote:
The shooter did wrong, killed when he could have avoided it.
I've watched the video numerous times and it's inconclusive. Do you have evidence that ICE was wrong, or are you making that determination because of your view on immigration?
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:42 am to novabill
if she hadn't resisted arrest she would be alive today. Just like ALL of the major police shootings of the past decade. If you frick with cops and then resist arrest, you put your life in danger. Simple as that. She fricked around with ICE then tried to flee. Then made the super dumb choice to continue forward in a car towards the agent. Had she let the people do their fricking job, she would be alive today. It is that simple.
She put her own life at risk because she was gaslit to believe that anything she did to ice would be protected by her fellow liberals. She was wrong.
They are doing their job. The people voted for illegals to be removed. If you act like a fricking idiot and they decide to arrest you, then don't try to fricking run them over with a car.
The undeniable fact is that she would be alive if she hadn't decided to frick with ICE and she would be alive if she hadn't resisted arrest. People need to stop being fricking idiots and people need to stop defending people for acting like idiots.
Does that mean every shoot is valid. No. But once again use your fricking brain and don't put yourself in the situation to be the victim of a bad shoot. Don't harass law enforcement. Simple as that. If you do, then you get NO sympathy from me and your fellow frickups can shut the frick up.
She put her own life at risk because she was gaslit to believe that anything she did to ice would be protected by her fellow liberals. She was wrong.
They are doing their job. The people voted for illegals to be removed. If you act like a fricking idiot and they decide to arrest you, then don't try to fricking run them over with a car.
The undeniable fact is that she would be alive if she hadn't decided to frick with ICE and she would be alive if she hadn't resisted arrest. People need to stop being fricking idiots and people need to stop defending people for acting like idiots.
Does that mean every shoot is valid. No. But once again use your fricking brain and don't put yourself in the situation to be the victim of a bad shoot. Don't harass law enforcement. Simple as that. If you do, then you get NO sympathy from me and your fellow frickups can shut the frick up.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 6:45 am
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:44 am to novabill
quote:this is simply untrue
The shooter did wrong, killed when he could have avoided it.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:47 am to novabill
quote:
Every shooting should be critiqued.
quote:
Not all cops are bad
Not all cops are good.
I'm OK with a suspension with pay while each one is reviewed.
While I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, they work for us and I don't want them to feel like they have a blank check to do whatever they want.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:50 am to burger bearcat
The PGA has all kinds of players with all kinds of different, wild, funky, seemingly-out-of-control golf swings. THE ONLY thing that matters is that tiny area of the swing where face impacts ball.
The only thing that matters in MN is that a non-LEO was told to stop, but instead pointed a 4000 pound vehicle at a clearly identifiable on-duty LEO performing their job and accelerated.
The only thing that matters in MN is that a non-LEO was told to stop, but instead pointed a 4000 pound vehicle at a clearly identifiable on-duty LEO performing their job and accelerated.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 6:51 am
Posted on 1/8/26 at 6:54 am to TigerMyth36
quote:
...She fricked around with ICE then tried to flee. Then made the super dumb choice to continue forward in a car towards the agent. Had she let the people do their fricking job, she would be alive today. It is that simple.
She put her own life at risk because she was gaslit to believe that anything she did to ice would be protected by her fellow liberals. She was wrong.
This
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:00 am to burger bearcat
quote:Just wait until MN issues a warrant for that ICE agent.
It doesn’t matter because the entire situation is politicized beyond any reasonable means to get a fair determination on of what specifics happened in real time. As with all of these cases. I certainly am not going to spend any time analyzing or scrutinizing what an officer had to do in the heat of the moment with an unruly crowd, a moving vehicle with a driver who was not complying.
But the main point that is missing is the fact the left has fomented the chaos and created this scenario with both their policies in these cities and blue states, as well as their rhetoric.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:04 am to I20goon
I'm pretty certain that ICE agent is nowhere near Minnesota.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:22 am to burger bearcat
She forfeited her life the moment she stopped her car in the middle of the street and blocked law enforcement from doing their job, and then refused multiple direct orders to move.
Everything after that is just extra.
Everything after that is just extra.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:35 am to TrueTiger
quote:
I'm OK with a suspension with pay while each one is reviewed. While I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, they work for us and I don't want them to feel like they have a blank check to do whatever they want.
I would say nope.
The left should not have created the environment that caused this. The ICE officer should not have to deal with these loony cat ladies thinking they can play make believe girl boss action hero.
Also, the issue of whether this specific, isolated incident was handled 100% correctly by the ICE guys is not really that relevant. That is something that DHS can handle internally. We don’t have any widespread issue of ICE officers shooting people.
The main political question that is relevant is how the left and Democrats are obstructing and not providing resources to these agents doing their job that American people voted them to do.
So I’m not that interested in spending any time scrutinizing the “shot”. It’s not relevant to anything that matters
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:37 am to novabill
Can’t wait for your thorough proof that “he’s wrong”
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:43 am to Adajax
quote:
or are you making that determination because
novabill hates cops.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 7:27 pm to TigerMyth36
People need to stop being fricking idiots and people need to stop defending people for acting like idiots.
Arrest idiots, don't shoot them.
Shoot is probably legal, but do you really think he had no other choice?
Also, kill people for resisting arrest? What would that body count be?
Arrest idiots, don't shoot them.
Shoot is probably legal, but do you really think he had no other choice?
Also, kill people for resisting arrest? What would that body count be?
Posted on 1/11/26 at 7:53 pm to novabill
quote:
do you really think he had no other choice?
NO. Not from a LEO perspective.
SHE left him with no other choice.
SHE put her vehicle in the middle of the road to obstruct a lawful law enforcement operation. That is a crime in and of itself.l
SHE chose not to obey lawful orders to simply move her vehicle then to get out of the vehicle.
SHE chose to accelerate the vehicle with an agent in PLAIN SIGHT.
Once she did that and HIT HIM WITH THE VEHICLE, he had no choice but to stop her. He had a duty to stop her to protect himself and everyone else on that block.
The only thing that kept him from getting completely run over is that the road was icy. The video from the shooter's POV clearly shows that she was looking directly at him when she hit the gas.
Did she deserve to die? Not necessarily, but SHE made all of the choices that led to the end result.
Honestly, I think the DOJ needs to seek RICO charges for every organization that is paying for these 'protests', because they are actively working to obstruct lawful LEO operations and 'training' people to put themselves and others at risk. They want the chaos we are seeing and don't give a single warm crap about Renee Good or any of their other paid agitators.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 7:56 pm to burger bearcat
quote:
It doesn’t matter because the entire situation is politicized beyond any reasonable means to get a fair determination on of what specifics happened in real time. As with all of these cases. I certainly am not going to spend any time analyzing or scrutinizing what an officer had to do in the heat of the moment with an unruly crowd, a moving vehicle with a driver who was not complying.
But the main point that is missing is the fact the left has fomented the chaos and created this scenario with both their policies in these cities and blue states, as well as their rhetoric.
I’m not going to judge an officer who is doing a tough job, getting no support from the local PD, against a hostile local government and protesters, what he may do in order to protect his own life or his fellow officers lives.
The blood of this woman is purely on Jacob Frey and the Democrats
All I know with 100% certainty is this, if that ICE officer would have been run over and killed by Ms Good no one on the left would give two shits and the Gaslight Media wouldn't either.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 7:58 pm to novabill
quote:
To many are determining the shooting was clean because of their view on immigration.
No, because by the law it was by the book.
Even now can you not admit that?
Posted on 1/11/26 at 8:17 pm to mtntiger
quote:Punishable by death.
SHE put her vehicle in the middle of the road to obstruct a lawful law enforcement operation. That is a crime in and of itself.l
quote:What are the rules on escalating an incident?
SHE chose not to obey lawful orders to simply move her vehicle then to get out of the vehicle.
quote:Agent walked in front of her car several times prior. If her intention was to run him over, she had multiple far more direct opportunities before the incident ever happened.
SHE chose to accelerate the vehicle with an agent in PLAIN SIGHT.
quote:He turned into Superman, stood his ground and fired three times on the driver's side at point blank range.
Once she did that and HIT HIM WITH THE VEHICLE
quote:And immediately turned her wheels to the right, away from him.
The video from the shooter's POV clearly shows that she was looking directly at him when she hit the gas.
quote:Ahh, I knew we could agree on something.
Honestly, I think the DOJ needs to seek RICO charges for every organization that is paying for these 'protests', because they are actively working to obstruct lawful LEO operations and 'training' people to put themselves and others at risk. They want the chaos we are seeing and don't give a single warm crap about Renee Good or any of their other paid agitators.
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