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News Report - Border Patrol teams up w. others for surveillance of US roads car traffic

Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:11 am
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:11 am
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The U.S. Border Patrol is monitoring millions of American drivers nationwide in a secretive program to identify and detain people whose travel patterns it deems suspicious, The Associated Press has found. The predictive intelligence program has resulted in people being stopped, searched and in some cases arrested. A network of cameras scans and records vehicle license plate information, and an algorithm flags vehicles deemed suspicious based on where they came from, where they were going and which route they took. Federal agents in turn may then flag local law enforcement.

Suddenly, drivers find themselves pulled over — often for reasons cited such as speeding, failure to signal, the wrong window tint or even a dangling air freshener blocking the view. They are then aggressively questioned and searched, with no inkling that the roads they drove put them on law enforcement’s radar.

Once limited to policing the nation’s boundaries, the Border Patrol has built a surveillance system stretching into the country’s interior that can monitor ordinary Americans’ daily actions and connections for anomalies instead of simply targeting wanted suspects. Started about a decade ago to fight illegal border-related activities and the trafficking of both drugs and people, it has expanded over the past five years.

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The result is a mass surveillance network with a particularly American focus: cars. The Border Patrol has for years hidden details of its license plate reader program, trying to keep any mention of the program out of court documents and police reports, former officials say, even going so far as to propose dropping charges rather than risk revealing any details about the placement and use of their covert license plate readers. Readers are often disguised along highways in traffic safety equipment like drums and barrels.

And it reaches far into the interior, impacting residents of big metropolitan areas and people driving to and from large cities such as Chicago and Detroit, as well as from Los Angeles, San Antonio, and Houston to and from the Mexican border region. In one example, AP found the agency has placed at least four cameras in the greater Phoenix area over the years, one of which was more than 120 miles (193 kilometers) from the Mexican frontier, beyond the agency’s usual jurisdiction of 100 miles (161 kilometers) from a land or sea border. The AP also identified several camera locations in metropolitan Detroit, as well as one placed near the Michigan-Indiana border to capture traffic headed towards Chicago or Gary, Indiana, or other nearby destinations.

While collecting license plates from cars on public roads has generally been upheld by courts, some legal scholars see the growth of large digital surveillance networks such as Border Patrol’s as raising constitutional questions. Courts have started to recognize that “large-scale surveillance technology that’s capturing everyone and everywhere at every time” might be unconstitutional under the Fourth Amendment, which protects people from unreasonable searches, said Andrew Ferguson, a law professor at George Washington University.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35469 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:25 am to
This is what so many on this board voted for.....on both sides
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8796 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:33 am to
I don’t think that article is honest. There’s no way they’re detaining people simply for “suspicious travel patterns”.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17168 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:37 am to
Imo, this is a great use of technology and tracking systems.

If criminals start using advanced methods for crimes, the government has to keep up.

I bet cartels, coyotes and smugglers aren't going to like this. Lol
Posted by CCT
LA
Member since Dec 2006
6785 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:38 am to
All AP sheriff cars have plate readers. Plate readers galore in Baton Rouge and NOLA.

Not sure if this is true, but I read the companies they buy the shite from can sell your travel data so the whole fricking world knows your routine, from church to anywhere else. Can anyone confirm this?
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18823 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:47 am to
in "public view"

now, what they do with it after the pattern recognition is a whole other ball game.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
12914 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:48 am to
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companies they buy the shite from can sell your travel data


Don't worry about the LPR, worry about the shite you install on your phone:
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But like most savings programs, GasBuddy’s program appears to slurp up plenty of data about you. According to its privacy policy (and as previously reported by Car and Driver), it collects and shares mountains of information—including your location, if you enable that, which is both valuable to advertisers and very personally identifiable. (If you want to put a number on it, a 2017 lawsuit revealed that GasBuddy was selling location data for $9.50 per 1,000 users.) GasBuddy then may share your location with Cuebiq and Foursquare, two of the larger location-data brokers in the industry.

GasBuddy also has an optional feature called Drive, which collects and shares information about your driving habits with Arity, a company that is owned by Allstate and has its own fun-to-read privacy policy. If you turn the Drive feature on, GasBuddy may share the information it collects about your driving habits with insurance companies “in order to produce a score which may predict the level of driver riskiness.”
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
25997 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:51 am to
Good idea. Protecting us from criminals and illegal aliens.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71087 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:54 am to
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I don’t think that article is honest. There’s no way they’re detaining people simply for “suspicious travel patterns”.

There was a thread here a few days ago about a story out of Colorado where this surveillance system was used by the locals to accuse a woman of stealing a $25 package because she regularly drove a vehicle through a certain neighborhood. The shitty cop had every intention of screwing that woman over. Fortunately, the spying device on her own front door covered her arse and cost the cop his job.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 11:55 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71087 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:56 am to
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Not sure if this is true, but I read the companies they buy the shite from can sell your travel data so the whole fricking world knows your routine, from church to anywhere else. Can anyone confirm this?

If they aren't selling your location data, it is any number of apps you likely have on your phone. That weather radar app that uses your GPS location? Yep. They do it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464464 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:58 am to
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There’s no way they’re detaining people simply for “suspicious travel patterns”.


That's all it takes for reasonable suspicion

When you add the immigration part, the next step of detention becomes easy
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464464 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:59 am to
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Imo, this is a great use of technology and tracking systems.


Posted by BoomerandSooner
Top of Texas
Member since Sep 2025
962 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:02 pm to
Technically the thread was shite when seeing Eurocat was the creator. SFP just solidified it by posting.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16400 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Lessons to be learned with woman falsely accused of thievery due to Flock cameras, experts say

Chrisanna Elser was given a citation for stealing a package on a porch, but she gathered her own digital evidence to prove her innocence.

Elser shared doorbell footage of her interaction with Milliman the day he showed up to her home on Sept.27.

“We have cameras everywhere in that town. You can't get a breath of fresh air in or out of that town without us knowing,” Milliman said to Elser at her door.

Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5612 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:15 pm to
And? If you aren’t an illegal and you are driving erratically then what is your excuse? If you are an illegal then you have no excuse
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17034 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:29 pm to


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Imo, this is a great use of technology and tracking systems.


Fear is a four letter word they say when they want you to go to war for them. Fear is what they use to remove your freedom, in this case, your privacy.

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35469 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:43 pm to
Plate readers for sure. Cops cruise along like in St Tammany and start pulling people over for tags etc.
I guess it makes it more efficient in securing additional revenue for the state / parish....although the cops will deny it and tell you it's for finding stolen cars....or they'll tell you that pulling over for expired tags .....is for your safety because, you know, accidents and insurance concerns
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
147866 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:46 pm to
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A network of cameras scans and records vehicle license plate information, and an algorithm flags vehicles deemed suspicious based on where they came from, where they were going and which route they took.
not sure how this would be news to anyone that travels I-10 in Louisiana. There are obvious license plate cameras all over. Especially before getting on bridges. Parishes know who is coming in and out of their parish on any given day
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
9517 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:59 pm to
If they just looked for and cleaned up this bullshite on I-10, it's worth it.

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35469 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:01 pm to
The cartels use some low tech methods to enhance their business along with the high tech options
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