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Are religious questions allowed here?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:56 am
Why does it seem like most religions have a transactional relationship with their faith? For example, they say "I have to be saved and become a Christian so I can get into Heaven". Seems like they are doing one thing to get the benefits. On the other hand, these same people will tell you that good actions won't get you into Heaven.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:59 am to RoosterCogburn585
if you are asking an honest question, for a legit reason and not just trolling or trying to stir up shite, why wouldn't you pose this question on a religious forum? Or of a faith leader (pastor, minister, priest)?
You come to the OT for religious insight? bullshite. You're just trying to stir up shite.
You come to the OT for religious insight? bullshite. You're just trying to stir up shite.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:00 am to RoosterCogburn585
Quick answer - the last thing Christianity is, is transactional. It is transformative and any view to the contrary is nonsense
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:01 am to RoosterCogburn585
A priest told me this once - "All religions around the world are basically the same. Live a good life, get a reward at the end."
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:01 am to RoosterCogburn585
Because the human condition makes us attracted to doing what we as individuals want and not seek what God wants for us.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:01 am to RoosterCogburn585
I suppose this question only makes sense if you count belief as a "good action."
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:03 am to wfallstiger
If it's not transactional then why is "getting saved" always followed with "so you can be with Jesus for eternity"?
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:03 am to RoosterCogburn585
quote:"If you do 'X' good deeds = you get into Heaven" is the definition of a transactional religion.
On the other hand, these same people will tell you that good actions won't get you into Heaven.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:04 am to TideCPA
I can see your point on that. A lot of people do good deeds just to do them, without worrying about where their soul will end up.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:06 am to RoosterCogburn585
You will be crucified for this topic, maybe a short answer will help.
You must receive Jesus Christ as your savior through faith and repentance of sin. Not works or a good life. You will always be a sinner, but faith and repentance are key.
You must receive Jesus Christ as your savior through faith and repentance of sin. Not works or a good life. You will always be a sinner, but faith and repentance are key.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:07 am to RoosterCogburn585
What is scary about the concept of heaven is that if all the people that believe they’re going there went there it’d be a shithole
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:08 am to RoosterCogburn585
quote:What's a "good deed"? Whose definition of "good" are we to use?
I can see your point on that. A lot of people do good deeds just to do them, without worrying about where their soul will end up.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:08 am to RoosterCogburn585
Here are some to ponder:
1. If I trim my beard the wrong way (Lev. 19:27), does that mean my barber is technically my spiritual assassin?
2. Leviticus bans eating shellfish (Lev. 11:10) — so if I order fried shrimp at Pappadeaux, do I need to book a one-way ticket to hell right after dessert?
3. If mixed fabrics (Lev. 19:19) are forbidden, does that mean my polyester–cotton socks are the most rebellious thing I’ve ever owned?
4. Leviticus says don’t eat pork (Lev. 11:7) — so is bacon the devil’s seasoning, or just God’s forbidden breakfast candy?
5. If touching pigskin makes you unclean (Lev. 11:8), does that mean every NFL quarterback is living in permanent sin?
6. Leviticus bans tattoos (Lev. 19:28) — so if I get a tattoo of the Ten Commandments, does that cancel out or double the punishment?
7. If we’re not supposed to plant two kinds of seeds in the same field (Lev. 19:19), does my “salad mix” packet of lettuce count as agricultural blasphemy?
8. Leviticus says don’t eat owls (Lev. 11:16–17) — but seriously, who was out there grilling owls in the first place?
9. If we can’t shave bald spots on our heads (Lev. 21:5), does male pattern baldness count as divine rebellion?
10. Leviticus calls rabbits “unclean” (Lev. 11:6) — so do chocolate Easter bunnies get a pass, or am I in trouble every spring?
1. If I trim my beard the wrong way (Lev. 19:27), does that mean my barber is technically my spiritual assassin?
2. Leviticus bans eating shellfish (Lev. 11:10) — so if I order fried shrimp at Pappadeaux, do I need to book a one-way ticket to hell right after dessert?
3. If mixed fabrics (Lev. 19:19) are forbidden, does that mean my polyester–cotton socks are the most rebellious thing I’ve ever owned?
4. Leviticus says don’t eat pork (Lev. 11:7) — so is bacon the devil’s seasoning, or just God’s forbidden breakfast candy?
5. If touching pigskin makes you unclean (Lev. 11:8), does that mean every NFL quarterback is living in permanent sin?
6. Leviticus bans tattoos (Lev. 19:28) — so if I get a tattoo of the Ten Commandments, does that cancel out or double the punishment?
7. If we’re not supposed to plant two kinds of seeds in the same field (Lev. 19:19), does my “salad mix” packet of lettuce count as agricultural blasphemy?
8. Leviticus says don’t eat owls (Lev. 11:16–17) — but seriously, who was out there grilling owls in the first place?
9. If we can’t shave bald spots on our heads (Lev. 21:5), does male pattern baldness count as divine rebellion?
10. Leviticus calls rabbits “unclean” (Lev. 11:6) — so do chocolate Easter bunnies get a pass, or am I in trouble every spring?
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 9:25 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:10 am to RoosterCogburn585
quote:
"I have to be saved and become a Christian so I can get into Heaven". Seems like they are doing one thing to get the benefits.
Some folks need to believe that there is something better waiting for us if we do the bare minimum to be a decent person. Nothing wrong with that, it's really helpful to a lot of people.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:15 am to RoosterCogburn585
I read a hypothetical story someone posted on a religious forum years ago. I'll try to do my best and recite it:
There are two men. One named Bob and one named Ron. Both 50 years old, both married with 3 kids. Bob has never set foot in church and has never prayed his entire life. He is a good father, good provider, volunteers his time, donates to charities, doesn't drink alcohol. Ron goes to church every Sunday, prays daily as well. Ron watches porn, cheats on his wife, rarely there for his kids and drinks a lot.
Ron ends up having a wake up call and starts doing the right thing. He no longer cheats on his wife, spends more time with his kids, quits porn all together. He's been on a good path for 6 months now. Bob is still Bob doing all the right things but still has not stepped foot in church and does not pray.
Both men wreck into each other and they die. Are you going to tell me Ron is going to get to heaven faster because he goes to church?
There are two men. One named Bob and one named Ron. Both 50 years old, both married with 3 kids. Bob has never set foot in church and has never prayed his entire life. He is a good father, good provider, volunteers his time, donates to charities, doesn't drink alcohol. Ron goes to church every Sunday, prays daily as well. Ron watches porn, cheats on his wife, rarely there for his kids and drinks a lot.
Ron ends up having a wake up call and starts doing the right thing. He no longer cheats on his wife, spends more time with his kids, quits porn all together. He's been on a good path for 6 months now. Bob is still Bob doing all the right things but still has not stepped foot in church and does not pray.
Both men wreck into each other and they die. Are you going to tell me Ron is going to get to heaven faster because he goes to church?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:18 am to RoosterCogburn585
Being saved isn’t like getting a license to heaven. It’s not a transaction that allows you in. It’s the beginning of a process not the end. You don’t get saved so you can go do whatever you want for 60 years.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:20 am to RoosterCogburn585
Pope Francis had you covered
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:32 am to RoosterCogburn585
What about the poor people in remote areas of the world who have never heard of Christianity? Are they doomed to hell?
God loves everyone.
God loves everyone.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:42 am to Jenious
Based on this scenario, neither have done "what it takes" to go to heaven. The Bible is very specific that salvation is a free gift of God, not of works, so that no man can boast. Jesus encourage believers to go to church to learn his word and be around other Christians, but "church" is not a building, but simply a gathering of believers. So someone who is "good" his whole life has no better chance of getting to heaven vs someone who is "bad." Salvation is based completely on the belief that Jesus was the perfect son of God, died on the cross for your sins and rose again. Now we as Christians are called to live like Christ, so we should strive to do good deeds so others can see Jesus thru us. But no amount of good deeds will ever get one to heaven, just like no amount of bad deeds will keep one out. Salvation is not conditional or transactional.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:48 am to RoosterCogburn585
It is transformative because God reaches toward us - we don't operate on that level, we are at enmity with God - He initiates with His gift of salvation - nothing we can merit...that is transformative.
Because the motivation is not simply to get to Heaven [it may start that way on our part] but He is after our transformation now, today
Because the motivation is not simply to get to Heaven [it may start that way on our part] but He is after our transformation now, today
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 9:51 am
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