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Title Company takes large loss on payoff scam

Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:46 pm
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7355 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:46 pm
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Looks like this is a local title company in Baton Rouge. Anybody know which one?

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According to the warrant, the title company got a legitimate email from a bank they have done plenty of past business with, requesting information about an upcoming commercial loan payoff. Six days later, the title company received another email, this time from a nearly identical email address, with only one letter changed. That second email asked the title company to change the payoff amount and to generate the payment. The title company then sent a wire transfer in the amount of 932,881.72 to the account number noted in the alleged fraudulent email.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
5917 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:49 pm to
Oooof. You know how much money that is to a Nigerian?
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1467 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:51 pm to
Soooo embarrassing waiting on what company…
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3390 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

nearly identical email address


Posted by Bawpaw
Member since May 2021
1536 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:06 pm to
It happened to my sister in law last year. Tbey were sol 50k for their down payment.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15742 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:11 pm to
Just me, but I never hit a link to pay ANYTHING off an email. I’ll look at the email, then go to that banks app to verify before I send anything.

I distrust emails more than this admin releasing the Epstein files
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
5917 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:15 pm to
When I paid off my house I did it by check sent by FedEx. frick wiring that amount of money.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104062 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:16 pm to
Shouldn't be too hard to narrow down. Who does the kind of volume where they're that careless with 900K? For that kind of money I'm hand delivering the check or using Fedex.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15742 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

When I paid off my house I did it by check sent by FedEx. frick wiring that amount of money.


Point being, it’s just dumb to hit a link in an email and pay.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m cautious of any email I get. Period. AI is only getting better and you have to be a retard to click a link, even from something you trust.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50492 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:53 pm to
That’s why you always call the bank you’re sending the money to and verify the wiring instructions that you have (don’t call the phone number in the email, though, call the number from their legitimate website).
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 7:55 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85745 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:54 pm to
Always confirm wire instructions, and independently research instruction verification information.

I've seen considerably bigger losses than this. It's so common in law.
Posted by Roy Curado
Member since Jul 2021
1429 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:56 pm to
Any wire transaction over $50,000 needs to be vetted and scrutinized if you are a small business.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85745 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:56 pm to
Commercial deal payoffs are typically coming out of purchase price, and nobody is closing on checks. Wires are a necessity.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
24912 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:57 pm to
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It happened to my sister in law last year. Tbey were sol 50k for their down payment.
Who was SOL….your SIL or the title company?

For each time I had a closing, I brought the title company a cashier’s check that covered my down payment and all other closing expenses. Then the title company deals with the rest…cutting a check to the seller, wire transfer for the seller’s mortgage payotf, etc. If the title company wired the money to the wrong place after I brought them a cashier’s check, that’s on the title company to fix it.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 7:58 pm
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
Member since Aug 2023
1734 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:06 pm to
We have protocols in place.

I’ve had to move nine figure sums across the Atlantic, and let me tell you, it was stressful. We had about six layers of confirmation.

I’ve been worried about AI mimicking a known voice. Not going to outline them here, but I’ve set up ways to detect that. Scammers have gotten ridiculously sophisticated.

(It wasn’t my money, so no subtle brag.)
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 8:07 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33763 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:07 pm to
SOP now is to always call and verify wire instructions with a human.

Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
1661 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:56 pm to
Sounds like someone really screwed up. That’s pretty lax treatment of $1 million. I have been involved in some large transactions and they were very secure and you are usually on the phone with the people involved. Something doesn’t sound right here.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
Member since Aug 2023
1734 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Something doesn’t sound right here.


Inside job?
Posted by Lou Loomis
A pond. Ponds good for you.
Member since Mar 2025
886 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:45 pm to
Once a wire goes out that’s it. I always tell my people to call and verify wiring instructions before sending. Title company should have known better. Scammers scan the email world for the words “wire” and “wiring instructions “, then send those emails. Gotta be more careful.
Posted by LSU713Tiger
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2012
158 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:45 pm to
How the hell do you not see the different email account and how big of a hurry was this person in?

Also, typically 2 different people are involved in the wire initiation & then approval at the bank (at least at my company).

Sophos or other cybersecurity measures likely would’ve caught this (quarantine new external emails until verified & allowed going forward).

I guess if your hit rate is <1%, but you blast 1,000s of people - a Nigerian Prince could become an OT Baller
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